City of Amnesia

Big O is returning to the Adult Swim Fix starting June 13.  I've given up hope for a third season.  :'( But if there's enough interest maybe AS might at least put Seasons 1 and 2 back on the air. 

Ah neat. Glad to hear it's at least getting played some where.

 
As long as Mike "I hate anime" Lazzo is in charge, things don't look good for anything anime honestly, I mean they constantly make fun of Code Geasse's ratings. I even heard he said he was going to quit his position if they even considered making a season 3.

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It's not about wanting or not wanting, it's about the viability.

Big O season 2 didn't make them as much as their original series, and they're cheaper to boot.  It'd be bad business to do that again.

Thanks. After all that time spent on my class, I need to catch up on "Big O" again...


At this point, I've learned to be careful about the "Cartoon Network" information I receive. There's a lots of rumors going around...


Well, that's assuming their only intention is to make money. Don't get me wrong, making money is the objective. I'm just saying sometimes money can be made in other ways, like by recognition.

I will agree that Big O Season 2 alone was no money-maker, and Season 3 would probably be the same. However, Big O brought another return: viewers. Viewers to buy from Bamzu, Wendy's, Saturn, etc... Viewers who see spots for money-maker shows, and may tune into them.

It's sort of the same thinking that made ailing G4 Gaming Network buy TechTV Network. G4 was losing viewers, and TechTV had viewers. If Big O Season 3 would boost viewership and merchandising in "all things AS/Cartoon Network" you can bet it would be made. It's just not needed yet...

OK, now what makes me think CN hasn't altogether forgotten about Big O? It's not just "the fix", or a comic book seller's rumor (that's another thread)... Big O was used in another AS TV spot. It was showing silhouettes of small to large "objects" (some CN, some anime). It went from something like small, larger, BIG, and the silhouette for "Big" was "Big O" (obviously a play on "big" which is also his robot class). If they really wanted to get forget "Big O", there would be no mention of it again (just like a cancelled show is never mentioned again). The question is more "when?" than "if?" now...

True enough, although knowing Mike Lazzo and the other goof balls at AS, it wouldn't surprise me if he said it.

No.

I doubt that Mike Lazzo hates anime as much as he loves good ratings and anime just doesn't bring in the same ratings as AS's comedies.  Big O gets about 30,000 hits/week, The Boondocks gets 300,000 hits/week.  Even junk like Assy Mc Gee or Squidbillies gets more hits [about 40,000/week] than anime.  Now if the next showing of Big O could get 40,000 + hits/week...(not impossible if we work at it) then who knows. 

..."never" is still a viable answer to "when?"...  8)


Well remember that Adult Swim and Cartoon Network were built on the "homegrown" and "cutting edge" cartoons. (Assy Mc Gee or Squidbillies are more "homegrown", Clone Wars and Metalocalypse are more cutting edge. Note also that I'm only referring to the genre, and not necessarily the quality of the shows.)

Now I should clarify, my remarks were not meant to start another Big O "movement"... (with all due respect to SaveBigO and R. Daniel's 1st and 2nd efforts... *thumbs up* You guys have guts!  :) I keep wondering if it made at least one AS exec think "...hey maybe Big O season 3 would be..." before suddenly being bludgeoned into unconciousness...) Adult Swim has a small discussion
http://boards.adultswim.com/adultswim/board?board.id=bigo
and "Big O" on "the fix", and I guess that's good enough for now.

I'm cool with that, as long as no one "over-consumes" episodes for stats. That's like people guzzling Coke/Pepsi/Mountain Dew or eating a certain food more often than is fun, just to get stuff or win a contest  (...you companies know who you are...) I re-watch "fun" episodes, or those which I need to understand the "meaning"... Really, it's better that way... So, onto "the fix"...

I've given up on anything sensible coming from the Turner Universe, whether it's CNN or CN. However, even though I have the DVDs, I might just tune in to relive some of that nostalgia before that idiot Lazzo took control.

The problem is Big-O doesn't come cheap.

Big-O did get good ratings, if it didn't Adult Swim wouldn't have funded the 2nd season.

However, Big-O is different from other anime because Adult Swim has to pay for Big-O's entire production cost. Which other anime Adult Swim only has to pay for the rights to show them.



Adult Swim doesn't hate Big-O, even if it might seem that way at times. Big-O along with Cowboy Bebop were the only anime shows that managed to get more ratings that comedy when they were first being shown. It's just that another season of Big-O would cost Adult Swim so much money that it would have to get several times the ratings of Adult Swim's comedy shows to be make up for it.

 

Back from the dead I come however due to the new born son things got complicated for me however nice to know that people are still watching Big-O.  I was watching seasons 1-2 last weekend to my surprise how I understand the series more compare to what I was watching a few years back.  A great anime indeed for our times something for my son to watch when he gets older.

Then Adult Swim should sell the rights they acquired for a season 3 and 4, if they won't do anything with them. Before it's too freaking LATE!

AS may try to sell the rights for Seasons 3 and 4 but with the dismal viewer stats, they're not likely to get any buyers.  Big O is getting fewer hits than almost any other show on the Fix.  In fact AS stopped putting advertisements on Big O.  Not a good sign.  I'm not saying anyone should cheat, but if you had Big O playing while you were working on another project, then....

As Ivan Drago once said, "If he dies, he dies." I don't think it's worth being so desperate, if that's the way it is.

Since this thread is about AS as well, this is the best place to post these two lovely chestnuts. As quoted by AS...

"Nevermind, Saturday was horrible.
It got a.3 for those of you who care.
What is with you?  We give you the
best anime available - that doesn't
make standards freak out - and all
you bitches do is complain about
how nobody is watching and how
the ratings suck.  F*** you.  No more
Saturday ratings until you can bring
in the numbers.  You whiney-ass"

Followed by:

"You know what?  Forget it.  You anime
jerklings aren't gonna go to this thing
anyway.  Because you're too busy
whining about people not watching
the shows you're not watching either.
Have fun being sad and alone."

Gotta love AS amirite?

i quit watching AS because they're bitches that run InuYasha so much that I never want to see it again unless they properly finish the series, because anyone that ever watched it knows how much bullshit the ending was. I know, it was like killing Connor McCloud so that Duncan could continue the movies without having to do a show...I forgot where I was going with this.

Anyway, I was watching Death Note, Bleach, and Code Geass. Then I missed a few episodes of Death Note at the end and they started the series over. At that point, I only watched about an hour and a half of TV a week watching those three shows. All other TV time went to my video games and DVDs. I have the first two DVDs of season 2...but I'm planning on having the box set soon...and if I'm lucky, I can find the soundtrack without having to go online. Someone hand me a d20 so I can do a luck check.

I rolled about a 4 on that one.

Oh, and yeah, I'm still around and living. I've just been glued to my video games...like Oblivion, FF VIII, and DMC3, with the occasional JSRF. Oh, and my new job at a bowling alley. Yay for bowling alley.

Anyway, case in point: I'll just wait until I can find a way to get Anime Network and a TV to hook it up to that doesn't have a console on it. I don't have any movie channels either, which blows. in fact, I have a lousy Direct TV package that is basically jack. Doesn't even have G4 as a channel. I'M MISSING NINJA WARRIOR AND UNBEATABLE BANZUKE!!!!! sorry, that makes me upset.

On a lighter note, I can occupy myself with .hack//sign and Banner of the Stars. Those were the last two box sets I bought. Then there's always the Apocolypse Now Complete Dossier that I also bought at the same time...

R Daniel Olk wrote
I can't argue with your logic, (sob, sniff) but I hate giving up. 


BTW welcome back Dark-O, or should we call you Daddy-O? ;D

Inorite?

For some reason, I can't help but side with [as] to a small degree. They really should air some goddamn commercials for their anime.

Now that you mention it, I can't think of an instant in the past few months where they showed a commercial for anime. That and combined with AS's general dislike for anime in general, no wonder the ratings are so low.

Maybe they should air some adds, but they can't run too many, because then they're missing out on too much actual ad-revenue.

Don't hate the players, hate the game.

Comedy does pretty well as far as ratings go. I mean, it must, since the channel's about 80% comedy now. They could probably afford to cut back on a few of those ads.

They've been airing the Rukia/"Stand in awe" commercial lately, but I think that's about it, outside the occasional bump.

I don't mean they'd have to shave ads for their comedy, they could do that, sure.

I mean real ads from other companies that get them ad revenue.

I suppose there's no arguing that, Hobo. Television is a business, after all.

Half that stuff is more disgusting than comedic. Personally, I miss the good artwork. American artwork just isn't as good, or as well planned and thought out and executed. Is quality really SO much more expensive? Well, I suppose that answer is obvious...

I'm awestruck by how much you guy all know. It's impressive really, despite the Lazzo bashing bits. I didn't even know who he was, really.

Now Gaddes, did AS really say that? Not that it's false, but I didn't think they would be allowed to say that... el burro hablando de orejas

I can't say I ever remember seeing something like that. And I don't believe Lazzo has a blog or anything.

When you spend as much time on the [adult swim] message boards as I do, you start to pick up on some behind the scenes stuff.

However, with the recent move of Code Geass and Moribito to the 5 AM hour on Sunday mornings, the outlook for TBO feels worse than ever.

Yeah, it was one of their bumps about a month ago.


Although, honestly at the rate things are going, it won't be long before anime is off AS completely.

I feel bad for the anime-geeks who came of age just barely too late to get to the good stuff...

AS continues the lulz. If they think that their anime fans are going to come running back from Sci-fi because of Family Guy with stop motion animation (Robot Chicken), then they are in for a rude awakening.

It seems Adult Swim did something right for a change.

11:00 - Robot Chicken (two episodes)
11:30 - Aqua Teen Hunger Force (two episodes)
12:00 - The Boondocks
12:30 - The Boondocks
1:00 - Bleach
1:30 - Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit
2:00 - Code Geass: Lelouch of the Rebellion R2

2:30 - Shin-chan
3:00 - FLCL
3:30 - Death Note
4:00 - Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
4:30 - Cowboy Bebop
5:00 - Big O
5:30 - Inuyasha

Big O's back on, that will bring back some memories, also Moribito is rerunning from episode 1, so you can catch up on it if you missed it.

zomg, and at a new reasonable time! Will watch.

Well, somewhat reasonable. Hopefully, they get decent numbers, but I'm personally happier about Geass R2 and Moribito, but the Bleach move just seems asinine. I'm pretty sure that was the only show that was getting decent numbers on Saturdays.

Pretty much. Bleach pulled in around 250-300k viewers a week and I believe the only anime to do so recently, but hey Moribito is on at a fairly reasonable time and Geass as well. I have to give AS some credit on this, they actually did something right.

five in the morning is a reasonable time?!!!

Referring to Moribito, genius.  ::)

I'm up at those hours anyway. This just gives me a reason to watch TV instead of play video games or watch DVDs.

Ah, that makes more sense.

lol no no. Was talking about Moribito and Geass.

I'll have to say, this is actually the smartest move I've seen AS make in ages. Nearly a full night of anime on Saturdays is a welcome change from stuff like Time and Eric stinking the everything up.

I wasn't the only one confused, R. Daniel... :(
How is 1:30 a reasonable time in any case?
... Like I can talk, It's 2:20 right now... -_-;;;

Well it certainly beats 5:30am. Although I'm pretty sure it will only run once and then AS will kick it to the curve.

I'm certain that curb has good company.
You know, I am surprised that Big O is even still on the list.... :-\

I'm surprised AS still even has the rights to Big O. I wouldn't mind if Sci-Fi picked it up and showed it during Ani-Monday. Show deserves a better home than with Lazzo and AS.

haha, see? I bet most of us here follow a different schedule than most of the working world. Once we become part of that world, we'll have enough funds to just buy the shows we want to watch.

Gosh, if Big O went to ani-monday... happiness.

Big O on Ani-Monday? Gah. Sure, it might get some actual advertisements, but would the cuts and constant commercial interruptions be worth it. Besides, no matter how poorly they treat their anime, it's hard for me to imagine licensing the broadcast rights for the second season to SciFi.

True. That's probably the only thing I really dislike about anime Monday, but it would be pretty awesome to see Big O (season 1 at least) on a channel where anime at least gets a fair chance.

As of today, I just got informed that in 3 to 7 days, I will no longer need to worry about what time slot Big-O is getting. A very close female friend of mine bought me the box set with her birthday money and is having it shipped to me directly.

Now if only I could find the OST...

which box set? The International boxset (with all the awesome art inserts), the regular complete (all 26), the First season boxset, or the Big O II boxset?

She has told me, and texted me a picture, that it is the Anime Legends Complete Collection.