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Title: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: coreyfarkas on January 07, 2009, 11:29:04 AM
What is all this about the show being cancelled at 26 episodes?  The creators of the show created a general plot outline that consisted of 26 episodes.  26 episodes is the standard show run for animes (at least).


Title: Re: Roger Smith's Age and Origins
Post by: EyeOfPain on January 07, 2009, 12:13:10 PM
The initial plan was for 26 episodes, yes. However, the first season was cut down to only 13 episodes, and was rewritten as, basically, a series of monsters-of-the-week with an underlying plot that wasn't revealed until the last two Acts.

When TBOII started, Sunrise had to practically start over with their original plan, and tried to fit in as much of the story as possible over the course of a single cour.


Title: Re: Roger Smith's Age and Origins
Post by: coreyfarkas on January 07, 2009, 09:37:23 PM
The initial plan was for 26 episodes, yes. However, the first season was cut down to only 13 episodes, and was rewritten as, basically, a series of monsters-of-the-week with an underlying plot that wasn't revealed until the last two Acts.

When TBOII started, Sunrise had to practically start over with their original plan, and tried to fit in as much of the story as possible over the course of a single cour.

Ok.  But that is still a 26 episode plan, just not exactly as they had planned.  After the initial run got cut in half they decided to leave it open ended in hopes it might provoke enough interest for someone else to pay for it to get finished.  What is even cooler is that it worked!


Title: Re: Roger Smith's Age and Origins
Post by: Professor Vogler on January 07, 2009, 10:11:30 PM
Just jumpin in here... not even about Roger's age anymore but >.>

Don't forget that there was even plans for a Season 3 arc. The team had megadeus designs, plot ideas, etc. for a 3rd season that would have taken off after Act26 (perhaps not with same "rewind" ending, dunno)... but this didn't come to fruition, so there's definately more to the story that we don't know.


Title: Re: Roger Smith's Age and Origins
Post by: coreyfarkas on January 08, 2009, 10:51:19 AM
Just jumpin in here... not even about Roger's age anymore but >.>

Don't forget that there was even plans for a Season 3 arc. The team had megadeus designs, plot ideas, etc. for a 3rd season that would have taken off after Act26 (perhaps not with same "rewind" ending, dunno)... but this didn't come to fruition, so there's definately more to the story that we don't know.

Where can on find these megadues designs or mentions of a season 3?


Title: Re: Roger Smith's Age and Origins
Post by: Professor Vogler on January 08, 2009, 03:55:17 PM
*plans to get back on topic soon, I promise!*

These were revealed to us back on Paradigm-City forums quite a while ago (possibly 2004/5?). We don't know exactly what plot ideas they had, or what to expect in terms of giant robots but I think we found an interview or a press release that said the team had plenty more in store and pretty much had to crunch a 5 episode plot ending into 3 episodes (Acts24-26)... Like I said nothing specific came from that revelation aside from "If they did get funding for a season 3, they were prepared to start immediately".


Title: Re: Roger Smith's Age and Origins
Post by: Hobo on January 08, 2009, 11:56:20 PM
*plans to get back on topic soon, I promise!*

No need.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: paul1290 on January 13, 2009, 08:22:30 AM
There's that whole "epic" fight with the Behemoth.

It was wasn't even a fight at all!
It only lasted for few seconds and consisted of Big-O lifting the Behemoth into the air and it getting crushed by falling debris!  >:(


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Brooklyn Luckfield on January 13, 2009, 09:01:55 AM
No doubt. The creators had two more seasons worth of stuff, and the horrid Behemoth fight was originally much longer from my understanding. Also the "low ratings" spiel that Lazzo and AS throw out is bogus, Big O did excellent as far as anime goes and it really boils down to Lazzo not wanting a 3rd season and the writers of of ATHF threated to quit is it got a 3rd season, or, so rumor has it.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Hobo on January 13, 2009, 11:49:39 AM
Big O was funded by CN, so it had to be held to at least a similar standard as everything else they funded.

IE: kick the crap out of imported animation in ratings.

It didn't kick enough crap out of the ratings.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Brooklyn Luckfield on January 13, 2009, 02:13:07 PM
Big O was funded by CN, so it had to be held to at least a similar standard as everything else they funded.

IE: kick the crap out of imported animation in ratings.

It didn't kick enough crap out of the ratings.

Didn't it get like 800k viewers though? But I'm not 100% sure.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: paul1290 on January 13, 2009, 06:38:23 PM
If I remember correctly, Big-O along with Cowboy Bebop were the only anime on Adult Swim to ever get ratings higher than comedy at some point.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: coreyfarkas on January 20, 2009, 12:19:08 AM
No doubt. The creators had two more seasons worth of stuff, and the horrid Behemoth fight was originally much longer from my understanding. Also the "low ratings" spiel that Lazzo and AS throw out is bogus, Big O did excellent as far as anime goes and it really boils down to Lazzo not wanting a 3rd season and the writers of of ATHF threated to quit is it got a 3rd season, or, so rumor has it.

If that is true, I hope Cartoon Network did not make any decisions based on that threat.  At least Big O! has a point, but a talking meatball, a side of fries, and a soda pop that sit around all day talking to their overweight and lazy neighboor donot need to be on the air. 

Ahh, the good old days.  I began watching Adult Swim when it first started, before it was called Adult Swim (I cannot remember it had a name or not).  Remember the little ads inbetween commercials with the Old people floating in pools?  Remember when they had quality programming?  Ahhh yes.... Good Shows.  It is too bad people do not care about quality and relevance any more. :(


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Hobo on January 20, 2009, 07:43:29 AM
If that is true, I hope Cartoon Network did not make any decisions based on that threat.  At least Big O! has a point, but a talking meatball, a side of fries, and a soda pop that sit around all day talking to their overweight and lazy neighboor donot need to be on the air. 

ATHF makes them gobs and gobs of money.

So it has more of a reason to be on-air than a show that doesn't make them nearly as much.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Brooklyn Luckfield on January 21, 2009, 01:05:42 AM
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but a talking meatball, a side of fries, and a soda pop that sit around all day talking to their overweight and lazy neighboor donot need to be on the air.

ATHF is pointless but it is funny, but you are right AS has gone way down hill over the years. Since they picked up King of the Hill, I will forgive them for airing Tom Goes to Mayor and Tim and Eric, as well as Family Guy with stop motion animation (Robot Chicken)


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Mike on January 21, 2009, 07:49:46 PM
However, Robot Chicken is damn hilarious. Especially the Star Wars episode.

There is no excuse for Tom Goes To The Mayor. Ever. For any reason. All involved should be executed via the Ebola virus.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Brooklyn Luckfield on January 21, 2009, 11:03:59 PM
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There is no excuse for Tom Goes To The Mayor. Ever. For any reason. All involved should be executed via the Ebola virus.

lol no doubt. It's a shame Tim and Eric have so much sway in what goes down at AS.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: The Final Negotiator on January 28, 2009, 03:08:41 PM
ATHF is pointless but it is funny, but you are right AS has gone way down hill over the years. Since they picked up King of the Hill, I will forgive them for airing Tom Goes to Mayor and Tim and Eric, as well as Family Guy with stop motion animation (Robot Chicken)

Boy, you weren't kidding when you said AS has gone way downhill, I've got access to FUNimation channel and Boomerang, but I still check out AS a little every week or so. Bleach is about their biggest anime (Code Geass? No side...). There's only a few remaining homegrown shows, like Robot Chicken, ATHF, and Metalocalypse. They're "borrowing" Fox's best cartoons to "prop-up" their line-up? Maybe AS has a new reason to consider more Big O footage: Survival. Yes, some will argue they're getting the big bucks from DVD sales, but the whole block is starting to look like a potential train wreck:

List of Programs broadcast by Adult Swim (Source: Wikipedia) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Adult_Swim)


lol no doubt. It's a shame Tim and Eric have so much sway in what goes down at AS.

I wondered why their programs stayed on air for so long... I mean, I couldn't even stand the TV spots for the shows, let alone the actual shows. Were they also responsible for Saul of the Mole Men? Never checked that one out, either...


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: 6moondance on January 28, 2009, 11:18:39 PM
Mike wrote:
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There is no excuse for Tom Goes To The Mayor. Ever. For any reason. All involved should be executed via the Ebola virus.

Mike, you are being way too charitable.  I think that all involved should be put on life support with their eyes taped open and be forced to watch Saul of the Mole Men, 12 oz Mouse, Tom goes to the Mayor, and Home Movies non stop.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Brooklyn Luckfield on January 28, 2009, 11:52:28 PM
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Maybe AS has a new reason to consider more Big O

Given AS horrid line up these days, I wouldn't mind seeing a 3rd or hell even a 4th season to counter the often pointless and borderline retarded garbage that is shown on AS these days. Prime offenders recently include Super Jail and The Drinky Crow Show.

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Were they also responsible for Saul of the Mole Men?

Saul was created by Craig Lewis of Billy and Mandy and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends fame.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: R. Daniel 01 on January 31, 2009, 09:38:49 AM
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I couldn't even stand the TV spots for the shows, let alone the actual shows.

Full agreement. You know it's truly shitty when even the commercials disgust you.

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Prime offenders recently include Super Jail and The Drinky Crow Show.

Actually, I like Superjail. It satisfies my needs for trippiness.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Mike on February 01, 2009, 12:15:16 AM
Mike wrote:
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There is no excuse for Tom Goes To The Mayor. Ever. For any reason. All involved should be executed via the Ebola virus.

Mike, you are being way too charitable.  I think that all involved should be put on life support with their eyes taped open and be forced to watch Saul of the Mole Men, 12 oz Mouse, Tom goes to the Mayor, and Home Movies non stop.
They're the ones who MADE it though. So they would actually enjoy it.

And Home Movies was made by the same guy who did Metalocalypse, which is at minimum 5 kinds of awesome. So yeah it sucked, but at least that guy isn't as much of an affront to humanity.


Title: Re: Talkin' plot changes, from Maine to San Diego
Post by: Brooklyn Luckfield on February 02, 2009, 04:42:03 PM
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And Home Movies was made by the same guy who did Metalocalypse, which is at minimum 5 kinds of awesome. So yeah it sucked, but at least that guy isn't as much of an affront to humanity.

I agree. Metalocalypse is beyond awesome. Can't wait for the 3rd season.