City of Amnesia

ok first off forget about as entirly for the next few minutes.
pcf and sbo had 1 thing right about getting a 3rd season, send letters. but they were sending them to the wrong people. alright so by now we all know that cartoon network wanted a 3rd season. as do most fans but they could never get enough backing to prove that 1 was needed. so heres where the new plan that will most likely work comes in.
1. instead of sending letters to as harrassing them into a new season we send letters to cn about how much we liked the show and what products we'd like to see(yes i said products) like talking action figures, model kits, trading cards, etc.. the reason for saying products we liked to see is that cn is all about making money and pushing of toys to little kids and adults alike.
2.we get a small petition and send it to the higher ups that own both as and cn.
3 and the most likely to succeed. we get the main voice actress her self to talk to cn. thats right people lee sergant. there are to magizine quotes about how much she loved the show. 1 back in 1999 says "I loved working on the big o, it was so much fun. it was an easy job but it was great. i had so much fun working on this that i really hope they go thru with season 2 they were talking about." the other quote is back in 2003 "i'm so glad that the cn whet thru with season 2. i love getting to act as dorothy again, it's such a fun part. now i really hope they go thru season 3 they have planed. heck i even love to do a season 4."
so from those 2 quotes you can tell how much she really loved working on big o and that they did have a season 3 planed but it never went to production. we most likely succeed with this because lee sergant has worked on a stagering 150 something animes and she like big o the best.
apperantly she has a large fan service and anwsers most of her own fan mail so it might be easier to get in touch with her than cn.

yes i know it's crazy but it might accutally work.

I've never been in support of a third season, so this is probably the only thing I'll be saying in this thread. But one thing did catch my eye.


We... all do? Maybe I've missed something, but every statement I've ever seen has said just the opposite.

They had the option for funding a 3rd season, and the writers of the series also said in a press statement that they had enough material by the end of Season 2 to *make* a Season 3.

I think the plan of attack is wrong... for the first year or two there was a possibility to change CN's minds... however, that time has passed. Success would be more likely in contacting Sunrise (the owners of Big O)... if they see promise in a series, they might just revive it.

I was wondering how long it would be before Season 3 threads started popping up. Well CN and AS have pretty much nailed the last nail into the coffin of Big O, but that just means CN won't do it. If Season 3 is a MUST then, contact Sunrise, or Bandai Japan. My honest opinion is that it's just not going to happen personally.

So its moved from anger to bargaining then? Thats progress

But why go through all that trouble only for it to end up on a channel you don't get?  

I dunno, personally I'm okay with the two seasons we were lucky enough to have.  CN lost interest a long time ago, and it just seems to annoy them and make them more against it if you keep bothering them.  

DVDs, anyone?

I don't even see why it'd have to be any channel in the first place. Plenty of anime gets released without ever popping up on the airwaves.

Does that mean depression is next?

SaveBigO had a mail system going for Adult Swin. Actual mail is more likely to affect things than Email or anything else I think, because snail mail has a more personal element to it. Though, it would be better to target higher up executives than just mail Sunrise itself. I don't suppose anyone here is a good Interweb Detective P.I. and can dig around for someone?

Awww. Now I'm already feeling the next stage... I'm so depressed, I can't even finish this po

And then, at last, blissful acceptance.

I would dearly love to see a third season of Big O, but it won't be easy.  Both the petition and letter-writing campaigns are excellent ideas but both are a lot of work.  We'd need at least 10,000 signatures, that's written signatures, not e-mail signatures for either AS or Sunrise to consider a petition seriously.  It is possible, but like every worthy project there needs to be someone willing to take charge and do the work necessary to make sure it gets done.    

The thing is, while we'd never have such a count of signatures in the Big O fanbase itself, the fact is that Big O *was* on Adult Swim for a few years, and was fairly popular. Just the majority of the Anime fans who watched it have moved on to other things, and thought it was just finished without a possibility to return. Cons would be our best bet for collecting signatures, but we've never really gotten organized enough to manage such a campaign. I'm definitely planning to do something for Otakon '08, anyways.

accutally sunrise does want to make another big o magna. but its not them we'd have to worry about. its hijema yedate. he prefers drawing cowboy bebop and megaman to big o.

Hajime Yatate isn't an actual person. It's a name Sunrise uses when a whole bunch of people had input on a project.

Hitoshi Ariga is the Big-O manga artist.  I don't think he's done much anything besides that and Megaman.  He didn't do the Cowboy Bebop manga, though.  

If they can't make a whole 'season' of Big O, why don't they at least try to make an OVA of it.

Sunrise does want to continue Big-O. The real problem is the money, which during the second season came from Adult Swim.

Big-O did very well for an anime. It's just that Adult Swim was simply no longer willing to pay for it. With other anime Adult Swim only has to pay for the rights to show them. For the second season of Big-O, Adult Swim had to cover the entire production cost.

I think the best option is to simply find someone else who would be interested in paying for a good anime. Anime Network might be a good candidate because they would be willing to pay more for an anime series than Adult Swim would. Another possibility would be Sci Fi because they've recently begun to show anime and might be interested in adding another show like Big-O to their schedule.

I think you've combined the various stages into some mind-bending cocktail

Source S.D.?

An any case, meh. I didn't really like the Manga all that much anyways; it had a couple good moments. That said, I would settle for a manga 'third season,' if even a OVA is too cost-prohibitive, much less an entire season.

Does this make me special, or crazy? Or both?

Negotiating, my friend, negotiating... If they really had material for a 3rd season, I would like to see it produced. Otherwise, it's like unreleased CD tracks or movie footage.

Hey, with "R Dorothy" on our side, it might work. After all, you wouldn't want to upset her. Just kidding...  :) I agree, though, that those with more pull in the anime industry could more successfully pitch a Big O 3rd season. Lia Sargent is one such person, and what's more, she has a personal connection to the show, having voiced one of the main characters. The fact that she answers fanmail is another plus.

Propositions #1 and #2 also sounded promising. I've already voiced my approval of the show to Bandai Entertainment through their website. A petition would be a good stategy, but it would need some security features. The last Big O petition I saw got corrupted by spam, and those false contacts appeared to reduce it's effect, at least in my eyes.

I don't get that channel either, but I'd say give it a shot. It would probably eventually end up on DVD's as well.

A final thought: Season 1 came out in 1999. Season 2 came out in 2003, four years later. It's now 2007, four years after Season 2... It's about time, hmm?

.The Final Negotiator.

yea. if i remeber right (and i probably don't) didn't the second season come out in november? maybe season 3 will to.

Or maybe a full length movie would be nice. I know that Big O has a very faithful fanbase.  People diffenately love this show! I think that the fans deserve some kind of appreciation. Even if they can't find a way to produce a full third season, a movie could be a nice compromise. I know that you wouldn't be able to please everyone but most of the fans would love to see a film & if they release it straight to DVD they could make a nice profit as well.

Asking Sunrise directly won't do any good. For starters, there is a language gap that would greatly inhibit our already ineffective movement. So that pretty much disqualifies the idea right there. But putting that aside, Sunrise is subordinate to Bandai, and Bandai is uninterested in a third season just as they were uninterested in a second season. The second season only happened because Adult Swim was young, enthusiastic, and stupid and thought the Big O would make them uber-popular. If Adult Swim had been wiser on the situation, the second season would have never happened; the Big O would have ended with that agonizing cliff-hanger.

Anyway, if anyone really wants a second season, think principles of warfare. Three approaches, either working together or alone, would suffice:

Lower Goals Approach: Someone said that we should ask for a movie rather than a third season. This is a very wise person, because not only should we do this, but we pretty much have to. I don't think we should stop at a movie, however: let's just ask for a five-episode OVA. The whole movement MUST be reconfigured to adopt this mindset. The third season became largely unobtainable when fans were slow on the ball in the first year or two following season two. If they had done the other two approaches I'm listing below, they may have been able to get 13 more epsidodes. Now, let us satisfy for 5 . . . 5 really good-quality OVA episodes. And, if they are generous and decide to get a third season instead (or if they have to, because of the contract) then so be it.

The Hurt Adult Swim Economically Approach: Basically, sign a petition saying you will never watch Adult Swim or Cartoon Network ever again until they give us more Big O episodes. First of all, the opening statement of the petition will state this is very strong terms; then those who sign it must give at least a paragraph in their own words why they won't watch Adult Swim/Cartoon Network and how they will try to convince all their friends not too. Then, actually DON'T watch Adult Swim . . . should be easy, because there are a ton of other channels and most of the shows on there are Robot Chicken and similar crap. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT APPROACH and the FAILURE of the movement do adopt it earlier has cost us some of our greatest advantages. Even so . . . if we go all out, then we have a shot.

Tough Love Approach: Instead of adopting the indulgent, easy going, communual, familial, friendly, and 'let all work be voluntary' approach to obtaining more Big O, the leaders of the movement must be rigorous in upbraiding, then, if the negative behavior doesn't change, kicking out and humilating every member who doesn't contribute; they are coercive influence. Although it has been perceived that treating people in such a way would hurt the movement, this is mostly illusionary; those people weren't contributors to begin with and are thus no loss. They hurt the movement more than they helped it. So, if we lose too many people, then that means it was never in the cards to begin with, as they were never contributing, so the tough love approach can't be blamed. The tough love approach is much more successful, as it appeals to mankind's natural competiveness and urge to thrive in a group for fear of worse.

... but of course, this is all very theoretical.

Hello,

Sorry to revive this long-dead thread, especially considering the nasty turn it took from the "Neo Dominus Movement", but I didn't know where to put this news.

First, let me say that, except in situations of obvious kidding around, I've always been square with the facts I've told everyone here - from my exploits, to my successes, to my failures.

That being said I'll keep this short. I went to a toy/collectibles show today, and found no bargains, but the show gave out free collectible cards to us, and we went to the store with the bargains after a short lunch break. The coupon got me a free Picard figure (First Contact), and that was cool, but what was also cool was the Big O collection a friend spotted for me (Dorothy/Norman, Dorothy-1, Big O, The Griffon). $6.00... Ok, sounds good. However, what the cashier said was even better. She sees it and says (I'm paraphasing) "Oh, The Big O... They're going to make a third season of that."

I almost got excited, but wondered if she meant past 3rd season efforts, so I said something like I had heard about plans for a 3rd season that were still on hold. Her reply surprised me - she said she has contacts in Japan that can confirm a 3rd season is being created. I doubt she would make stuff like this up, especially for a cartoon in limbo like The Big O... So, what do you think?

...as for the toy show - well at least I got Kenny Baker's autograph (R2-D2).

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When a cashier at a toy store/department store/whatever store, says a 3rd season is being made, I'd take that with a grain of salt. Sorta neat hearing a cashier mention Big O.

As awesome as that'd be, I'm going to agree with Gaddes that it's hardly proof.

I really want to take it with a grain of salt, but there's just some things that keep nagging me:

• 1) How did she know about The Big O? - Let's face it, mass-marketing behind The Big O went nowhere, even when Cartoon Network took it over. (The best-selling items are probably the "Anime Legends" DVD's, and, from the opinions I've heard, even those aren't huge sellers.) So the only people that know about it are the creators, and people curious about it (like us).
• 2) What did she have to gain by telling me that? - In this well-stocked store, there was one Big O toy set left (Box Set A), and I seriously doubt there were more in the stock room. She saw me looking at a Mach 5, and didn't mention anything about Speed Racer, even though the store had tons of items for that show. Also, she stated this as I was buying the item, so it wasn't like she said this to make the sale.

I'm not saying break out your double-breasted suit, this is a major alert, but on a scale of 1 to 10, 5 being average, it's a 7, and this is from one serious skeptic.

Ooh, cool. Same time next week, could you maybe show up that store again, and ask her to show you proof? Unless you'd feel weird or something. But it'd make sense to ask if you explained that you told a bunch of friends about the claim, and now they're all curious.

Still, if this somehow were true, it'd be odd for there to be no official news about it.

I want to believe too, but.... sigh :'(
Tho    It may be possible, not probable mind you, but possible that someone out there is considering making a third season of Big O 

It would be interesting to ask this person if she knows who or what organization is  backing a third season of Big O.

I return briefly to say I found this awesome and humorous.

dudes the fn is right. I have a Japanese friend here for a few years to go to college and she told me that a season 3 might be in production.

Shadow-D, you said you had irrefutable evidence last year on SBO, and you never provided. I call BS.

You also said you would use proper grammar, which includes capitalization.

Why do you lie?

EVERYONE seems to have Japanese friend that claims they are involved with production.  Until Bandai holds a press conference with a full episode, production art work and such to convince me a 3rd season is even being tossed around as an idea, although the biggest reason CN hasn't made a 3rd season, is Adult Swim is pretty anti-anime these days and anime isn't the ratings machine that the comedy shows are.

Sensible idea.


AS isn't anti-anime they're pro-ratings.  If the AS videos are any indicator, their "comedies" are getting significantly more hits than their anime programs.  Just for the fun of it, the last time Big O was shown on the AS videos, I tracked the number of hits it got versus Boondocks.  Big O averaged between 30,000-40,000 hits/week.  Boondocks averaged 300,000-400,000 hits/week.  Robot Chicken and Lucy Daughter of the Devil didn't do as well as Boondocks but they outscored the anime.  If you really want to get depressed even Assy Mc Gee outscored most of the anime.

Assy McGee isn't depressing but knowing a psedo-anime like Boondocks does is pretty sad actually.


True enough, although I'm surprised most of the anime on AS gets that many hits.

Although it's nice to know AS did picked up Code Geass, been waiting to see that.

Um. the Japanese friend is not involved, she just heard about it. And that other person is no longer my friend because she is a lying stealing bitch who says things to make people believe her. And just so you know her version of season 3 was dot, Roger and Angel get stds and some other fuck. So you know thats fake. The Japanese friend on the other hand says that season 3 will be about uncovering some of the past of Paradigm and how the human Dorothy died and why Roger can't remember his parents very well.

You should tell her to join this forum. Now.

As for the Big O collection, do you mean figures or the DVDs?
Nevermind, just saw your other post about 'em.

Well, if they are going to make a new season, they had better do it quick! I mean, currently through season 2, all of the elements worked well together, the music, the voice actors, the script. If any of that is changed, then I don't think that people would like that season because it would be nothing like the first 2. Esp. if the script writer refused to write for a 3rd season.

I heard Big-O was shown in Japan again not too long ago.

That might be somehow related to the claims from Japanese sources that a 3rd season is being made. Maybe that recent run in Japan did much better than anticipated?

Either that or they could be mistaking the re-airing of Big-O for a 3rd season.

I'm thinking this is what happened.

Well, you can always hope for a fan production that does a good enough job.

While being with SBO.com we did had one try to a fan made Big-O 3 going.  I had a interview with him concerning his season 3 which I saw the trailers.  It wasn't bad then out of nowhere they disappeared just like that.