underground Terror; did i miss something

[paradoxx]

Ok, the further down we go, the newer things get, and at the end of the series Angel is running through this corridor, but was this Archetype actually used to finish Big Fau, I gathered yes after several viewings but what exactly is the archetype, what is that underground city atmosphere actually about?  (it was later used as an image at the end of season 1with Big Venus over everything and then that was later turned into the ending of season 2 with big venus deleting everything)

Seebauch went insane but was not connected to this archetype, reosewater went delusional with power, that's what that archetype is about--right?  With the archetype integrated into Big Fau, episode 4 is instrumental to the actual understanding of what some of Big Fau's weaknesses actually are--right? 

Beign one of the early episodes there are faults and glitches in the storytelling, but later used as a background of other more important events, Seebauch was just the antagonist behind the process, while the villliany is actually the chaos that that archetype started underground. 

Other topics include--who else might have known about the underground location; where the technology for the archetype came from, home or abroad; why there is a sense of fear and subconcious emotional reactions--later touched upon in other episodes such as Roger the wanderer;  what connection this archetype has to the other megadeuces given D. Wayneright's reaction to it thus activating this archetype.

As a stand-alone episode it makes as little sense as possible, introduces seebauch/schwartzald, sets the tone of the underground, and keeps the suspense for the rest of the series in steady motion, but answers nothing except that the Big O has an arsenal of missles.

[R. Daniel 01]

Ok, the further down we go, the newer things get, and at the end of the series Angel is running through this corridor, but was this Archetype actually used to finish Big Fau, I gathered yes after several viewings but what exactly is the archetype, what is that underground city atmosphere actually about?  (it was later used as an image at the end of season 1with Big Venus over everything and then that was later turned into the ending of season 2 with big venus deleting everything)

Wow, you need to work on your sentence structure. This is tough to follow. The underground city "atmosphere" exists to bring up hints and questions about Paradigm City's past. It also represents the unknown, the secret, like the Black Forest in German folk tales. It's Schwarzwald's domain.

As for the Archetype's role in Big Fau's construction, some people do think that Archetype was instrumental. All of Big Fau's big components came in the Union Megadeuses, though, so I don't agree. Archetype and Big Fau aren't the only two things in Paradigm that want and need Memories.

Seebauch went insane but was not connected to this archetype, reosewater went delusional with power, that's what that archetype is about--right?

 

I don't know if the archetype robot is "about" anything. It's definitely an example of something that's hungry for Memories, though.

With the archetype integrated into Big Fau, episode 4 is instrumental to the actual understanding of what some of Big Fau's weaknesses actually are--right? 

No. Archetype's weakness was everything, because it had no armor. Fau's weakness was nothing.

Beign one of the early episodes there are faults and glitches in the storytelling

Oh?

Seebauch was just the antagonist behind the process, while the villliany is actually the chaos that that archetype started underground.

 

You need to pick your words more carefully and check your spelling a bit more. This sentence is confusing. I take it you mean Schwarzwald was just the Archetype's agent. I don't think we know about that. Schwarzwald was definitely possessed by something, whether or not that was the Archetype is unknown. Maybe he was possessed by Behemoth. Vera said something about Behemoth being "the" beast that feeds of Memories and such.

As a stand-alone episode it makes as little sense as possible, introduces seebauch/schwartzald, sets the tone of the underground, and keeps the suspense for the rest of the series in steady motion, but answers nothing except that the Big O has an arsenal of missles.

You sound a little bit like you think you're absolutely correct, here, when that might not be the case.

[Professor Vogler]

As for the Archetype's role in Big Fau's construction, some people do think that Archetype was instrumental. All of Big Fau's big components came in the Union Megadeuses, though, so I don't agree. Archetype and Big Fau aren't the only two things in Paradigm that want and need Memories.

Well, I wouldn't say everyone thinks the Archetype = Big Fau (which is wrong). But after the fight with Big O in Paradigm harbor, one would suspect that the parts weren't in the best shape. Personally I think the Archetype was canibalized for Big Duo Inferno and Big Fau to make them completely operational (especially Big Duo). Because although the Archetype does not equal a Big, it is pretty much their grandfather... so parts should be close enough to bodge together. (and "bodge" is a technical term, if you watch Junkyard Wars)

[Hal356]

With the archetype integrated into Big Fau, episode 4 is instrumental to the actual understanding of what some of Big Fau's weaknesses actually are--right? 


what connection this archetype has to the other megadeuces given D. Wayneright's reaction to it thus activating this archetype.

I have heard that the archetype was used to reconstruct the destroyed head and other parts for Big Duo, to Create Big Duo Inferno. (believe that Burt made a connection already)

Well, in this episode, Dorothy uses (let's just call this computer code talk) to activate the Archetype. In the episode Leviathan, Dorothy is seen using the same computer code talk from Underground Terror (possibly to call it as Roger asks in the cockpit of the Big O, but I can't remember Dorothy's answer or if it even has any relevance). But the Leviathan and the Archetype might have a connection.

With the archetype integrated into Big Fau, episode 4 is instrumental to the actual understanding of what some of Big Fau's weaknesses actually are--right? 

No. Archetype's weakness was everything, because it had no armor. Fau's weakness was nothing.

I probably wouldn't go as far as saying that Big Fau had no weaknesses, especially if Big Fau uses the weapon that loses his arms as missiles that don't even work that great! In fact, this sounds like a great forum topic! I will start one about this. 

[Big Money]

As a stand-alone episode it makes as little sense as possible

Welcome to Big O, enjoy your stay.

[The Big Finale]

Hal, I know some forums don't care about double posting, but we don't like that around these parts, so please refrain from it in the future unless the two posts are, say, at least 5 days apart.

[Hal356]

Hal, I know some forums don't care about double posting, but we don't like that around these parts, so please refrain from it in the future unless the two posts are, say, at least 5 days apart.

Um, I only did that because I didn't quite exactly know how do put double quotes in one post. I know that I might sound dumb for not knowing but I am still kinda new here, ala my title 'Newbie'. I apologize for any inconvenience that I may have caused.

Oops! I do need to learn the 'art' of "SCROLLING DOWN" when I am in Write Message mode.

[paradoxx]

Roger is standing in Seebauchs/Schwarzwald apartment infront of the typewriter surrounded by (flamable) papers, but there is an ashtray full of ciggarettes and a stack of dirty unwashed dishes, my observation is nicotine and tobbaco ruling ones life, the end result is Seebauch degrading into Schwarzwald.  Unlike an incomlete Megadeuce that seeks out a pilot, Schwarzwald is the one seeking out his device to wreak havok on Paradigm after being exposed to something in the structure of how Paradigm actually works (it's everyone parent company).

In the end with all underground scenery "in the Big O", the red and blue lighting effect is very confusing, why does it need to be there at all.  Is it an interpretation of the protagonists mind and what they see, or is it actually there no matter what.

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Yes, that's right, the Archetype was used for Big Duo II, not Big Fau; although there could be, in my opinion, used parts of other megadeuces for, say, the wiring. 

the Behemoth comes across as a massive Absolute Deux Ex Machina pre-empting a Deux Ex Machina, could be a Season 3 mentality with that yellow exoshell though, being pioleted by Vera of all characters.

In Leviathan, the paperwork of Schwarzwald relates to three, well, enemies.  A dragon (leviathan), a Monster (Behemoth) and an angel (?).  [sorry about that question mark, since the second version of the opening put a question mark for Angel, could be but I think it could be the Archetype modeled after the primate body, but big Venus also comes to mind, and the falling satellite in Advent could be a distraction or an allusion to something else]
 

[R. Daniel 01]

there is an ashtray full of ciggarettes and a stack of dirty unwashed dishes, my observation is nicotine and tobbaco ruling ones life, the end result is Seebauch degrading into Schwarzwald.

 

Are you joking? Big O isn't a show where characters are formed and ruled by drug addictions. It's a place where people are addicted to memories, or bound in spells of power, or influenced by a robot's mind-control rays. Things like that.

The cigarettes and plates were just to show that he had spent his recent days by typing, eating, and maybe sleeping.

Unlike an incomlete Megadeuce that seeks out a pilot, Schwarzwald is the one seeking out his device to wreak havok on Paradigm after being exposed to something in the structure of how Paradigm actually works (it's everyone parent company).

I think the omnipotence and omnipresence of Paradigm Corporation is already public knowledge in Paradigm City. It's no revelation. Direct cause of Schwarzwald's madness? No way.

In the end with all underground scenery "in the Big O", the red and blue lighting effect is very confusing, why does it need to be there at all.  Is it an interpretation of the protagonists mind and what they see, or is it actually there no matter what.

You have to be more specific.

Yes, that's right, the Archetype was used for Big Duo II, not Big Fau

You speak with absolute certainty, but not everyone agrees. Remember that underneath their faceplates, all the Bigs have the Archetype's face. Big Duo Inferno's head still could've been the original Big Duo's head. Not sure how it matters either way, though.

the Behemoth comes across as a massive Absolute Deux Ex Machina pre-empting a Deux Ex Machina,

How is the Behemoth itself "an absolute deus ex machina?" Also, what is the deus ex machina that it pre-empts? You mean how Big O destroys it in an instant?

could be a Season 3 mentality with that yellow exoshell though, being pioleted by Vera of all characters.

How does the "exoshell" and Vera make the Behemoth part of "a Season 3 mentality?" It's not even clear what kind of "season 3 mentality" you're referring to.

In Leviathan, the paperwork of Schwarzwald relates to three, well, enemies.  A dragon (leviathan), a Monster (Behemoth) and an angel (?).  [sorry about that question mark, since the second version of the opening put a question mark for Angel, could be but I think it could be the Archetype modeled after the primate body, but big Venus also comes to mind, and the falling satellite in Advent could be a distraction or an allusion to something else]

You're reading too deeply with the question mark thing. And your sentences... it's like reading drunk text messages except without the funny, or reading someone's notes that they scribbled in the middle of the night. Please organize your thoughts more carefully. Explain them, too.

Paradoxx, I'm betting you'll ignore most of this.

[Hal356]

Are you joking? Big O isn't a show where characters are formed and ruled by drug addictions.

Wow, you are right on that one!

[R. Daniel 01]

You guys are both wrong.

'sup Troll.

Previous post is in need of deletion. The poster needs a good banning, I suspect.

[Brooklyn Luckfield]

You guys are both wrong.

'sup Troll.

Previous post is in need of deletion. The poster needs a good banning, I suspect.

I suspect the same. At least it's not some guy advertising some ED pills.

[DOMON KASSHU!]

Post deleted, let's not see this crap again. I dislike trolls when they leave their bridges.
Make it so.

[Brooklyn Luckfield]

Welcome back Jean-Luc and glad to see your doing well.

[DOMON KASSHU!]

Glad to be back! I also think I'm overdue for a name change.
Make it so.