Big O and Freud

[Yuko-san]

..... title.
So I noticed a few Freudian things in Big O. And I wondering if you noticed the same things.
Like when Roger calls himself "one of those tomatoes", but every time we see a tomato kids scene none of the kids look like Roger. Also ever notice that every time we see the tomato kids there in a burning building and they look like there going to catch fire? That just seems demented.

You ever notice weird things like this?

[Professor Vogler]

For those of us not versed in Freudian studies... could you perhaps explain your theoretical parallels and what these elements connect to?

[Yuko-san]

yeah, maybe should have explained that first.

I won't go into great detail, as that would take to long, but here is what you need to know.
Freud was a psycho therapist that dealt with the extremely mentally ill, and because of this came up with various theories to explain strange human behaviors. like why we kill and so forth. Unfortunately most of his theories are akin to what crazy people would say themselves. Like why a man would want to sleep with his mom. An example of one of his theories is to say something out of context that refers to how you feel on the inside, otherwise known as a Freudian slip, ex "it's a really -gay- day today." This example could be said by someone trying to hide the fact that they are gay.

The Freudian slip is what I was referring to in my original post. How exactly can Roger be "one of those tomatoes" if the experiment happened around or over 40 years prior to the current episode where he says as much, when Roger himself is no older then 30 at the most. Could it be that he was given false memories at birth? Or could he have been in a second batch of these tomato kids and given memories from kids of the first batch?

What I'm asking is if you ever noticed little slips and strange phrases like this one.

[Tifaria]

That word, "Freudian"... I'm not sure it means what you think it means. 

A Freudian slip means that you say one thing, but you really mean something else.  When Roger says that he's "one of those tomatoes", it's not a Freudian slip because it's not an unconscious or conflicting desire suddenly coming to the surface, or even a slip of the tongue.  Roger wasn't trying to say anything different and mistakenly said that he was a tomato instead.  It may be repressed memory, but that is completely different from a Freudian slip.  The most classic example of a Freudian slip is the phrase often used to describe it:  "A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, but you say your mother". 

[Professor Vogler]

That word, "Freudian"... I'm not sure it means what you think it means. 

Inconceivable!

Also, seeing as how this is a series that refers to Memories with a capital "M", I'm pretty sure the tomatoes are just allegories/metaphors... if not, those Japanese writers are crazier than I first thought.

[Char Aznable]

That word, "Freudian"... I'm not sure it means what you think it means. 

Inconceivable!

[Sharpshooter005]

Freud

[Jim_Dandy]

If anything Freud would be in Big O it would be his enunciation on the concepts of Id and Super Ego for example in regards to how Roger and everyone are deathly afraid of going deep underground. It's completely irrational fear. Also Beck, Schwartzvald, and Alex Rosewater are some of the most egotistical characters out there.

[Sharpshooter005]

Schwartzvald, Beck ...the most egotistical characters out there.

It's been a while since I saw the first season, but wasn't the entirety of the Shwarzwald character "Guy loses his mind figuring out shit, wants to destroy the hierarchy at all costs/expose the situation"

And then wasn't beck basically just a criminal guy who figured out how to jerry rig together some big robot

Rosewater yeah if I remember that show correctly it was him trying to gain total power, offing his dad or whatever

[Randolf]

I am bringing this back because it is fun to do so.

I've studied Sigmund Freud quite a bit actually, but I can't say that anything in Big O really screams "CIGARS AND BANANAS AND SOMETIMES CANDLESTICKS".

Well, except for the arm pistons.

Phallic symbolism for the PWN.

As far as real character psychology, you might have more luck finding something in the Jungian realm of thinking. Collective memory and all that.

[Leonard Shelby]

Also, seeing as how this is a series that refers to Memories with a capital "M", I'm pretty sure the tomatoes are just allegories/metaphors...

I agree. Sure they are. Tomatoes are the perfect examples of "something mankind modyfied successfully". Today's tomatoes are stronger then the "originals" thanks to our researchers' long work selecting semen and types, and their fruits are better then yesterday's. Gordon tryied his best to "grow" a better (?), stronger () humanity. Maybe he failed, maybe he succeeded: it's a different problem, but the image of the tomatoes fits perfectly (about me ) with his project.