The Big O Romance Speculation Thread! Oh Snap!

[Gummi]

Well I've gone and done it now! The infamous "Who does Roger Love" thread, that seems to plauge every Big-O board since the beginnings of our beloved series. But I tend to enjoy a good debate and this seems the most interesting. So why not?! Let's have fun with this.

   Overtime I really have come to appreciate Angel. I will admit that when I first saw the series my bias was slanted in Dorothy's favor. However from repeated viewings of series (and thanks to Tifaria's splendid writing) I've come to find Angel quite the agreeable character. She is not perfect by any means, but she has proven to be a resilient and intelligent character. I have come to like her attitude very much. She is not perfect, but niether is anyone else. So I really dislike it when people resort to name-calling referent to Angel. She isn't a stank, slut, or whatever else people like to label her. She is merely a woman confronted with a very odd romantic situation. However because I do like Angel doesn't mean that I think Roger loves her. I will always be a DorothyxRoger shipper, naturally.

  I do believe, thinking in realistic (well about as realistic as you can be when it comes to an anime) terms that perhaps Roger and Angel are the only two characters who had a prayer of a chance of being in a (semi) normal relationship. I believe that is why Roger wants that kind of relationship with her. He craves that contact that he cannot have with R. Dorothy. It's an odd situation any way look slice it. Had R. Dorothy been human, I don't think that Angel would've figured into the equation for Roger. Although Roger may be attracted to Angel he'd love Dorothy. When you think of it, Dorothy and Roger are better suited to one another. Dorothy is a good companion for Roger. The big road block is that Roger is doubtful as to whether or not an andriod can feel love. Which for him is a big issue, he is a character who prides himself on being logical, it would require a huge leap of faith for him to believe that an andriod and human could fall in love. The other obsticle to overcome is that contact, Dorothy is an andriod. She cannot be in a physical relationship with Roger. However in, Negotiations with the Dead, Roger does see that a human/andriod relationship is possible (although the mechanics of such are a mystery).

Well in any even my vote is that Roger loves Dorothy, to me at least all signs lead to the same conclusion. It may be an "impossible" love they have for one another (but it's so romantic!).

Discuss! ^.^

[6moondance]

Gummi, I am glad that you started this thread, the R-D/R-A thread is one of my favorites.

he (Roger) is a character who prides himself on being logical,

Roger may pride himself on being logical but often he seems to confuse logic with denial. In situations that go slightly beyond his ability to control, he becomes very emotional.  For example, he says that his forgotten past means nothing to him, but every time he confronts it, he becomes weak in the knees, literally.  
However Roger is a very moral person with a strict personal code of ethics.  He prides himself on being a gentleman.   This strict sense of honor along with a privileged upbringing, wealth, looks, a kick-ass car and a kick-ass megadeus combine to give him a sense of superiority.   ex I don't remember which episode it was but Roger was really upset that his "name was associated with a lowlife like Beck."  

Roger is sexually attracted to Angel and intrigued by her mysterious activities but  she lacks his strong sense of honor, furthermore she isn't enough of a challenge for him.  Once the physical attraction faded, she'd bore him.  
 
Dorothy on the other hand constantly challenges Roger. She is superior to him in many ways and is not afraid to show it.  Her manners are even more aristocratic than Roger's and her code of ethics that is at least as strict.  Dorothy forces Roger to constantly re-evaluate his feelings and beliefs.   Gummi is right when she says that if Dorothy were human, Angel wouldn't have a chance.   But Dorothy isn't human which gives any romantic relationship between them two obstacles to overcome.  First there's Roger's issues with inter-species dating.  He's human, she's a machine.  Roger is afraid that he can never be sure which responses are really Dorothy and which responses are programmed.
  
The second obstacle is Roger's tendency to deny his true feelings.  He is attracted to Dorothy, which scares him so at first he tries to play up the mechanical aspects of her nature.  "Why do you try to mimic us, you will never be human." but being basically honest, eventually he's forced to admit that Dorothy is capable of emotion.  His behaviors toward Dorothy change after she's attacked by Alan Gabriel, but although he seems to respect Dorothy more, he treats her like a sister rather than a possible lover.  

The closest Roger comes to facing his feelings for Dorothy comes after he thinks that she's damaged beyond repair; even then he's still ambivalent.   (although he did have a few other things on his mind like saving the world).  

my vote is that Roger loves Dorothy, to me at least all signs lead to the same conclusion. It may be an "impossible" love they have for one another (but it's so romantic!).

Mine too. But face it, the "impossible" love angle makes Big O much more interesting. Without it Big Owould just be Gigantor in color.

[Tifaria]

Honestly, as much as I love Angel and will defend her to anyone, she is unfortunately not the one meant for Roger.  I do think that the reason Roger lead Angel on, however briefly, was because of his unwillingness to accept his feelings for Dorothy.  To him, the thought of a human being in love with an android is, in his own words, preposterous, so he decides it's easier to deny his feelings for Dorothy and persue Angel.  And he's definitely attracted to Angel, but those feelings for Dorothy are always lingering in the back of his mind.      

However, I think he really did care for Angel too, although he has a weird way of showing it.  I mean, he did come to save her in the end.  But.. it's not her, and that sucks.  It's one thing to be in love with someone who doesn't return your feelings, but it's another to love someone who you know you can never have because of reasons beyond your control.  That's how it is for Angel.  There's this.. thing.. between Roger and Dorothy, that I don't think even they understand, and it prevents anyone else from getting between them.  And it's true, if Dorothy were human, Angel wouldn't be in the picture at all.  

I dunno, I can't pretend to understand the whole human/android thing, because I have a hard time wrapping my mind around that, but I also can't deny that Roger and Dorothy have a weird connection.  

[Xel]

Both wrong. Clearly, the answer is Dastun.

[Galatea]

I voted Dorothy, Roger had his chance with Angel but of course hesitated bad.
And then there's that question Dorothy popped to him about 'Would they have fallen in love if hey had just lost their memories' and he later on answered 'maybe' when she was unconscious.

[DOMON KASSHU!]

Both wrong. Clearly, the answer is Dastun.

Beck and Roger forever?
War.

[Galatea]

Aw man, you just made me remember some really bad big o images i saw on 4chan once *shudder*

[Tifaria]

Both wrong. Clearly, the answer is Dastun.

Beck and Roger forever?
War.

Yeeeah... if we're gonna go that route, my vote is for Beck.  

[6moondance]

Yeeeah... if we're gonna go that route, my vote is for Beck.

Beck and Roger?? Only if both were heavily medicated.

I could see Beck and Alan though.  They'd get along beautifully.

[Tifaria]

Oh, I don't mean it's plausible, I just mean that between Beck and Dastun, Beck is more interesting to me.  Roger and Dastun are too much like an old married couple.  

Hahaha, Alan/Beck amuses me.    

... I can't believe I'm seriously discussing this.

[Xel]

... I can't believe I'm seriously discussing this.

But you know why I'm glad we are? And it only just occurs to me that I've bottled up this sentiment for so long: it's because dammit, there is more to this series' relationship possibilities than Roger/Dorothy and Roger/Angel. *huffs.*

(Also I agree, I'd actually prefer Roger/Beck over Roger/Dastun, but the thing is, Roger/Beck couldn't actually be a relationship, per se, and they'd still hate each other pretty good. :3 That doesn't make it not hot, though. :X But Roger/Dastun actually has the capacity to be a little warm and fuzzy, in that kind of brusque masculine way they have.)

I'm still very interested in knowing just what Alan and Angel's history is all about. I also CAN'T be the only one who was highly interested in Alex's conversation with Beck about how "well, Alan's dead now, so I want you to work together with me. Forever." And Alex's apparent extreme aversion to/disrespect of women.

COME OOOOON, GUYS, EXERCISE THOSE IMAGINATIONS.


[EDIT:] Oh, also:

Aw man, you just made me remember some really bad big o images i saw on 4chan once *shudder*

I demand that you show me these images at once.

[Tifaria]

Well, and see, the other thing is, I've gotten such crap before for being a Roger/Angel fan, so it's kinda weird to me that hey, Roger/any other male seems to be okay with most (not all, but even people who don't like it just turn a blind eye to it) people, but you even mention Angel to some people and they're all OMG NO THAT WHORE.     

Dude, I'm not even normally into slash/yaoi/whatever, but, uh.. Roger/Beck would be all about the rivalry/hate, and that's kinda hot.  

I am also very intrigued by Angel and Alan's past.  I keep wishing someone would write that fic, but alas, no one's really writing Big-O fic anymore, much less about either of them.  Everyone wants to write about Roger and Dorothy.  

You know, I was re-watching season two not long ago, and I did think Alex's line towards Beck was kinda out of the blue, but I didn't really give it any thought.

[6moondance]

Alex's line towards Beck was kinda out of the blue,

True, but I think that Alex was just flattering Beck.  Judging from how quickly and neatly Alex got rid of Alan, I don't think Alex defines 'forever' the way most of us do.

[DOMON KASSHU!]

But you know why I'm glad we are? And it only just occurs to me that I've bottled up this sentiment for so long: it's because dammit, there is more to this series' relationship possibilities than Roger/Dorothy and Roger/Angel. *huffs.*

(Also I agree, I'd actually prefer Roger/Beck over Roger/Dastun, but the thing is, Roger/Beck couldn't actually be a relationship, per se, and they'd still hate each other pretty good. :3 That doesn't make it not hot, though. :X But Roger/Dastun actually has the capacity to be a little warm and fuzzy, in that kind of brusque masculine way they have.)

I'm still very interested in knowing just what Alan and Angel's history is all about. I also CAN'T be the only one who was highly interested in Alex's conversation with Beck about how "well, Alan's dead now, so I want you to work together with me. Forever." And Alex's apparent extreme aversion to/disrespect of women.

COME OOOOON, GUYS, EXERCISE THOSE IMAGINATIONS.


[EDIT:] Oh, also:


I demand that you show me these images at once.

Angry sex, Xel?
War.

[Xel]

Angry sex, Xel?

The angriest. :3

True, but I think that Alex was just flattering Beck.  Judging from how quickly and neatly Alex got rid of Alan, I don't think Alex defines 'forever' the way most of us do.

Ahaha, that's true. But it's still forever for him. Even if only for that moment. XD I don't think Alex thinks and deals with emotions quite the way a normal person does, overall. He's kinda... stunted in a few areas, as we've seen.