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Question: Who does Roger love?
Obviously, it's Dorothy. - 19 (82.6%)
No, It's Angel. - 4 (17.4%)
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2007, 10:19:13 PM »

I am not going to vote due to an alternate explination: ROGER EITHER LIKE BOTH OR HATES BOTH. Roger dated Angel and kissed Dorothy, it is a love triangle like in GODZILLA KING OF THE MONSTERS.
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2007, 11:39:56 PM »

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Nnn? When did he kiss Dorothy?

Alex/Alan still might be my favorite potential pairing in the series, though. (Though Alex/Vera IS kind of hot.)
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2007, 01:40:48 PM »

Kissed Dorothy? Wow I wish he actually would've! Well I don't think he ever really technically "dated" Angel...except for when they went to the diner and held hands in the moonlight...so I think that counts as one date. I do agree that Roger is attracted to both women, strongly. And while we can infer that he is "in love" or at least has strong feelings towards Dorothy, we can equally infer that he sees more of a romantic possibility in Angel.

So I'm going to bring up that damned bouquet! Shocked I remember that causing quite the stir in ol' PCF. At first I was convinced the bouquet was for Dorothy, now I believe it was for Angel but because Roger was actually thinking of Dorothy. Allow me to explain, Roger purchased the bouquet because he felt guilty. What Angel said was pretty much on point, and he knew it. He knew that because of his insecurity about Dorothy he was unable to commit to anything with Angel. He stated himself that one of the rules of negotiation was taking the other persons feelings into consideration. He had hurt Angel because deep down he wasn't sure of his own feelings. I think he wanted to make things right with Angel. I'm pretty sure that Roger is also insecure about what Dorothy's feelings were towards him, as well. So in a way perhaps Dorothy and Roger felt their feelings were unrequited but never dared to really communicate them to eachother. So I'm assuming that's where the confusion lies. I mean "She's an android, I'm a human how is this going to work"(or vice versa) There is a part of him that seems to be intrigued by Dorothy but  equally perplexed by her. When Dorothy asked about the bouquet, I think he realized that in some backwards way Dorothy was the reason he bought it. Because his repressed feelings for her had caused the confrontation between he and Angel. Or perhaps he also cared enough about Dorothy not to tell her that the flowers were really for Angel. Or maybe he really did just buy them for Dorothy. Well, any way you slice he's one confused little negotiator.
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2007, 12:59:54 AM »

That makes perfect sense to me, especially considering how Angel had just mentioned Bluebells to Roger (and the bouquet was of Bluebells. Evidence!).

Very cool, I feel that you really dredged about in the romantic morass of Big O and turned up a gem.

So according to your line of thinking, Roger's giving Dorothy the single Bluebell was just his way of saying "Congratulations, you've won a consolation prize for your involvement!"

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Best pairing?

My vote goes for... no nevermind, you wouldn't wanna know.
But as a hint

- It's a pairing that could work only once in the lifetime of either partner,
- And last only briefly, that is for about five to twenty-five minutes.

Hee, and then yes if you figure it out, I mostly kid.

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On a serious note: Instro/Dorothy! That would send me brimming with warm fuzzies.

Would it be the most boring, platonic romance ever? Yeah. But it could also be exceedingly, adorably awkward. Lookit' the little robots being so sweet and innocent and pure. It's like kittens interacting.
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2007, 07:51:27 AM »

Hm.. the flowers Roger bought aren't exactly the same as Angel's bluebells, but then, I suppose they're the closest thing that grows in the city.  I never have been able to make up my mind on who the flowers were for.  It makes more sense that they were for Angel, but he never gives them to her.  It seems like he's still conflicted up until the very end, and even then, he never really makes an outright choice.  I guess that's why you see Angel and Dorothy together at the end?  Kind of a "may the best woman win" thing.  Or something.  I dunno.

Aww, Instro/Dorothy would be super cute, even if it is kinda wholesome and boring.  Hey, they could double-date with Roger and Dastun.   Cheesy
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2007, 05:19:54 PM »

Wow, 100% for Dorothy:
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2007, 12:12:45 AM »

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Nnn? When did he kiss Dorothy?

Alex/Alan still might be my favorite potential pairing in the series, though. (Though Alex/Vera IS kind of hot.)

Oh, don't play the fool. In the last episode, when Dorthy was giving Roger mouth to mouth, SHE HAD HER EYES CLOSED!!!!!!!

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« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2007, 10:33:18 AM »

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Oh, don't play the fool. In the last episode, when Dorthy was giving Roger mouth to mouth, SHE HAD HER EYES CLOSED!!!!!!!

Wrong to the extreme. She never once gives Roger mouth-to-mouth. The louse only suggested it after she'd crushed her air tank.
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2007, 02:57:09 PM »

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Oh, don't play the fool. In the last episode, when Dorthy was giving Roger mouth to mouth, SHE HAD HER EYES CLOSED!!!!!!!

Ah, yes, how foolish I was to fail to recall something that never happened! 8D
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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2007, 07:14:40 PM »

It seems that all of us (except probably Big Finale) hasn't watched Big O for a while that we have forgot key elements as "who has kissed who" (which can be answered with the singe word of "nobody").

I suggest that we all go back to our tellys/pcs/cinema-mansion and marathon the series for yourselves again (that's what i'll be doing in my october holiday)
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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2007, 10:01:49 AM »

Hmmm...android love. I guess Dorothy would be indefatigable.

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2007, 06:30:24 PM »

Well I've gone and done it now! The infamous "Who does Roger Love" thread, that seems to plauge every Big-O board since the beginnings of our beloved series. But I tend to enjoy a good debate and this seems the most interesting. So why not?! Let's have fun with this.

   Overtime I really have come to appreciate Angel. I will admit that when I first saw the series my bias was slanted in Dorothy's favor. However from repeated viewings of series (and thanks to Tifaria's splendid writing) I've come to find Angel quite the agreeable character. She is not perfect by any means, but she has proven to be a resilient and intelligent character. I have come to like her attitude very much. She is not perfect, but niether is anyone else. So I really dislike it when people resort to name-calling referent to Angel. She isn't a stank, slut, or whatever else people like to label her. She is merely a woman confronted with a very odd romantic situation. However because I do like Angel doesn't mean that I think Roger loves her. I will always be a DorothyxRoger shipper, naturally.

  I do believe, thinking in realistic (well about as realistic as you can be when it comes to an anime) terms that perhaps Roger and Angel are the only two characters who had a prayer of a chance of being in a (semi) normal relationship. I believe that is why Roger wants that kind of relationship with her. He craves that contact that he cannot have with R. Dorothy. It's an odd situation any way look slice it. Had R. Dorothy been human, I don't think that Angel would've figured into the equation for Roger. Although Roger may be attracted to Angel he'd love Dorothy. When you think of it, Dorothy and Roger are better suited to one another. Dorothy is a good companion for Roger. The big road block is that Roger is doubtful as to whether or not an andriod can feel love. Which for him is a big issue, he is a character who prides himself on being logical, it would require a huge leap of faith for him to believe that an andriod and human could fall in love. The other obsticle to overcome is that contact, Dorothy is an andriod. She cannot be in a physical relationship with Roger. However in, Negotiations with the Dead, Roger does see that a human/andriod relationship is possible (although the mechanics of such are a mystery).

Well in any even my vote is that Roger loves Dorothy, to me at least all signs lead to the same conclusion. It may be an "impossible" love they have for one another (but it's so romantic!).

Discuss! ^.^

I'm extremely offended by this post. There ought to be a Schwarzwald x Roger pairing. The two are obviously secretly in love; I mean, what else is with that letter Schwarzwald sent Roger in the event of his death? Obviously, it is a pronouncement of love, and the writers couldn't let us read it because of homophobic parents in North America. Also, did any of you notice that Roger seemed upset when Angel told him Schwarzwald was dead? Pretty strange, considering their past emnity . . . and did you see how worked up he got after Alan went for a joy ride in his "Schwartzies" precious Big Duo? I mean, really, take a look . . . once you put it into perspective, its the only way to make sense of the series (especially Act 14 and 26). It's the secret key to the mysteries.

....................................... but seriously? Thematically, Dorothy is probably meant to be Roger's lover. I think the directors and writers of the Big O were in synch with each other in this regard; also, I remember reading that Angel didn't even exist in the earlier conceptions of the series, whereas Dorothy was on board since the very beginning as 'the android girl that lives with Roger'. Dorothy's relationship with Roger gets much more screentime and is, uh, well, developed more and made more complex, although the writers do take some steps to ensure that Angel gets some screentime.

10 Reasons Why Dorothy is Roger's True Love

1. Dorothy and Angel love the same man and couldn't live under the same roof if one of them was in a relationship with him while the other could just watch. So, one of them would have to 'disappear'. It is easier to imagine Angel disappearing and never being heard from again than Dorothy disappearing and never being heard from again.

2. Dorothy has 20-40 'special scenes' with Roger. Angel has only 10-15. The word 'special' is used very flexibly, but you get the point.

3. Angel is visibly spurned by Roger when he goes to save Dorothy and hesitates to kiss her. Although Roger doesn't completely renounce Angel, Dorothy is never subjected to a similar treatment - the worst she gets is that Roger doesn't completely renounce company with Angel, and then (possibly) only because Dorothy didn't disclose the fact Angel left her to die at hands of Alan Gabriel.

4. The writers and directors of the Big O came up with Dorothy's character at the very beginning, whereas Angel was a later stipulation.

5. Dorothy lives with Roger and is therefore a more established part of his life. If Angel moved in, Dorothy would have to leave. Does that seem likely to any of you? Or do you think it is more likely Angel and Roger would not move in together?

6. For that matter, does Angel seem like the type of woman who moves in with anybody?

7. Dorothy's relationship with Roger is elaborated on more often throughout the series; the writers make a special point of the human-android dilemma. Do you think it is likely that the writers would decide to conclude this dilemma by saying "NOPE! ANDROIDS AND HUMANS CAN'T BE IN LOVE!" by putting Roger with Angel instead of Dorothy?

8. Angel is a femme fatalle and they usually don't end up with the hero at the end; at least, not in comparison with the 'nice girl', who usually mends the heroes shattered heart after the femme fatalle lets him down in some way. Femme fatalles sometimes end up with the hero, but their nature usually dictates they betray or leave him; even if they love him.

9. Roger thinks about Dorothy more often than Angel; and his thought patterns are more interesting and prominent in this regard.

10. Roger and Dorothy share more episodes and screentime with one another.

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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2007, 08:20:49 PM »

Maybe Dorothy represents what Roger wants to be, but can't be.

Roger is a negotiator and as such he tries to be logical and not be affected by his emotions. However, he often fails at doing so and he thinks this is a flaw in his character.

Dorothy can block out her emotions perfectly which is something Roger can't do. She also knows how to cause Roger to lose control of his emotions and does so rather frequently. It's almost as if she's intentionally showing Roger that he is only human.



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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2007, 08:47:44 PM »

Maybe Dorothy represents what Roger wants to be, but can't be.

Roger is a negotiator and as such he tries to be logical and not be affected by his emotions. However, he often fails at doing so and he thinks this is a flaw in his character.

Dorothy can block out her emotions perfectly which is something Roger can't do. She also knows how to cause Roger to lose control of his emotions and does so rather frequently. It's almost as if she's intentionally showing Roger that he is only human.



Just a random theory.

Dorothy can't block out her emotions, but she sometimes convinces herself she doesn't (or can't or shoudn't) have them, which isn't something she is happy about it, although she sometimes pretends it is an advantage (probably just to make herself feel a bit better about it all). However, she noticeably attempts to become more human-like as the series progresses, in the sense she tries to interact more meaningfully with other beings and establishes lasting relationships with various members of the cast to varying degrees; Roger and Norman in particular, Instro (but probably mostly off-screen), Dastun and Angel in part, you get the idea.

None of Dorothy's dialogue or actions indicate that she blocks out emotions; just that she doesn't think it is very likely she does, can, or should have them.

In the second season, Negotiation with the Dead, Roger asks Dorothy if she feels nostalgic, and she says she is grateful to Dr. Waynewright for designing her so she wouldn't have emotions like that . . . it is possible she still thinks that she can't feel emotions, but after the events of the first season (she couldn't have possibly convinced herself she felt nothing about Perro the cat or Roger when she shortcircuits herself in order to prevent herself from killing him) . . . it is probably just that her self-knowledge has increased to the point that she has become aware that some emotions may be beyond her, and nostalgia may be one of them. However, she could still feel other emotions, and using these as a springboard, might develop the ability to feel nostalgia in the due course of time. Emotions in androids may have to 'evolve' in them first, perhaps starting from just pure, logical thought and then becoming something else, or maybe because they always had the ability to feel emotion and just needed a chance to express it, or maybe a mix of the two.



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« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2007, 08:59:39 PM »

Maybe Dorothy represents what Roger wants to be, but can't be.

Heh, I like this. "Man's better half" is... machine?
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