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Question: Who does Roger love?
Obviously, it's Dorothy. - 19 (82.6%)
No, It's Angel. - 4 (17.4%)
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Author Topic: The Big O Romance Speculation Thread! Oh Snap!  (Read 96027 times)
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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2007, 08:39:06 PM »

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Roger asks Dorothy if she feels nostalgic, and she says she is grateful to Dr. Waynewright for designing her so she wouldn't have emotions like that . . .

I always thought that Dorothy was being sarcastic when she said that.

Dorothy doesn't lack emotions, she lacks tact.  She is very open and honest about her feelings but expresses them at inappropriate times, i.e. in "The Greatest Villian" where she embarrases Roger by refering to him as "the man I love" in front of Beck.  She also becomes upset with Roger, stalking out of the room when he indicates that he doesn't return her feelings, "Demonseed", "Day of the Advent"

Roger is the one who constantly denies his feelings and not just about his feelings for Dorothy.  He repeatedly states that he doesn't care about the past, yet when parts of his past emerge, he becomes extremely emotional sometimes to the point of almost passing out, i.e. the lunch scene with Alex in "Hydra"
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2007, 11:31:36 PM »

My,my, the amount of speculation you all put into this is enough to right an essay on, ... i wonder if my english teacher would take it... Tongue
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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2007, 10:05:03 AM »

4. The writers and directors of the Big O came up with Dorothy's character at the very beginning, whereas Angel was a later stipulation.

Something I find interesting, however, is that if you look in the artbook, one of the early concept drawings for Dorothy is very close to what Angel ended up looking like.  Also, how do you know that they didn't have Angel in mind from the beginning?  I ask this in all seriousness, because I really don't know much about what the writers/directors have said regarding their plans for the show.


5. Dorothy lives with Roger and is therefore a more established part of his life. If Angel moved in, Dorothy would have to leave. Does that seem likely to any of you? Or do you think it is more likely Angel and Roger would not move in together?

6. For that matter, does Angel seem like the type of woman who moves in with anybody?

I can't see Angel living with anyone.. currently, that is.  I have my theories about her past.  But the way she is now, no, I don't see her picking up and moving in with Roger, even if he were to reciprocate her feelings.  She's accustomed to being able to come and go as she pleases, and I think that living with someone would make her feel restricted.  Plus, I think they'd fight over the bathroom too much.  Cheesy 

"Angel!  I need to do my hair!"
"Then you shouldn't have slept so late!"
"But I have a client!"
"So do I.  By the way, you're out of hair gel."
Etc, etc. 

But even if Angel moved in, I don't think it would be that Dorothy had to leave so much as she would likely choose to.  Roger would never throw her out, even if he ended up choosing the other woman.  He chose to protect Dorothy, and I think he's got a strict enough sense of nobility that he would hold himself to that.  Although I guess that he can do that even without Dorothy living there anymore.  I don't know. 

8. Angel is a femme fatalle and they usually don't end up with the hero at the end; at least, not in comparison with the 'nice girl', who usually mends the heroes shattered heart after the femme fatalle lets him down in some way. Femme fatalles sometimes end up with the hero, but their nature usually dictates they betray or leave him; even if they love him.

I think the only thing you could count as Angel letting Roger down would be not saving Dorothy from Alan, but he never finds out about that.  She does betray him quite often for the first half of the series, but has a noticeable change of heart after that.  So I don't think that Dorothy has much "mending of the heart" to do in regards to Roger.  It's more that she has to break past that big ol' wall of denial he's put up.  He already realizes that he doesn't love Angel-- but he also won't admit that he feels anything for Dorothy. 
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2007, 09:07:18 PM »

I don't care what anybody says. I still feel sorry for Angel.  :'(
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« Reply #34 on: October 02, 2007, 12:34:34 PM »

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Roger asks Dorothy if she feels nostalgic, and she says she is grateful to Dr. Waynewright for designing her so she wouldn't have emotions like that . . .

I always thought that Dorothy was being sarcastic when she said that.

Dorothy doesn't lack emotions, she lacks tact.  She is very open and honest about her feelings but expresses them at inappropriate times, i.e. in "The Greatest Villian" where she embarrases Roger by refering to him as "the man I love" in front of Beck.  She also becomes upset with Roger, stalking out of the room when he indicates that he doesn't return her feelings, "Demonseed", "Day of the Advent"

Roger is the one who constantly denies his feelings and not just about his feelings for Dorothy.  He repeatedly states that he doesn't care about the past, yet when parts of his past emerge, he becomes extremely emotional sometimes to the point of almost passing out, i.e. the lunch scene with Alex in "Hydra"

I know Dorothy doesn't lack emotions, although she seems more uncertain as to what they are and what they are like than the average human. It could be that Dorothy doesn't feel certain types of emotions; nostalgia could be one of them. She did say "I am grateful to Dr. Waynewright for designing me so I wouldn't have emotions like that", which makes me think she might not be experiencing the full range of human emotions, but is capable of some . . . fear, resentment, gratitude, joy, and love (or some type of romantic attatchment) are emotions I know she can definitely feel, as she does demonstrate them during the series.

I don't see how Dorothy could have been being sarcastic. Nor do I see anything wrong with her cognition being of a mode somewhat different (but in other ways similar) than that of mainstream humanity, as she is a unique kind of being . . . that Dorothy can't feel nostalgia doesn't trouble me, so long as she can feel other, more important emotions.

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But even if Angel moved in, I don't think it would be that Dorothy had to leave so much as she would likely choose to.  Roger would never throw her out, even if he ended up choosing the other woman.  He chose to protect Dorothy, and I think he's got a strict enough sense of nobility that he would hold himself to that.  Although I guess that he can do that even without Dorothy living there anymore.  I don't know.

I know Roger would never physically force Dorothy to leave, or ask her or want her to, but I mean, plot-and-character wise, both women can't live under the same roof if their counterpart is romantically involved with Roger for a prolonged period of time. Neither of their personalities could stand it. However, if neither of them were romantically involved with Roger, they would probably tolerate each other for awhile.



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« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2007, 06:24:04 PM »

Is Dorothy made to be loved?
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« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2007, 02:26:36 PM »

Is Dorothy made to be loved?

Plot-wise, she was obviously intended to be the main love interest. In terms of her manufacture... That's for her to know and Roger to find out!
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« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2007, 04:39:18 PM »

Is Dorothy made to be loved?

Plot-wise, she was obviously intended to be the main love interest. In terms of her manufacture... That's for her to know and Roger to find out!

She's kind of heavy...

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« Reply #38 on: October 07, 2007, 09:47:42 PM »

Is Dorothy made to be loved?

Plot-wise, she was obviously intended to be the main love interest. In terms of her manufacture... That's for her to know and Roger to find out!

She's kind of heavy...

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« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2007, 08:02:19 PM »

Angel only got 4 votes!  This is blasphemy! This is madness! *Is a Angel fan* The girl need some love.  Though many of you see Dorothy is perfect for Roger I rather see more R/A I'm sure thing would have work out if they more free time.  Who knows what they talk about in ep 7 behind our backs?
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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2007, 11:03:11 PM »

Man, forget you all. I vote for Angel/Dorothy. :<
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« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2007, 11:13:36 PM »

Man, forget you all. I vote for Angel/Dorothy. :<

Never mention this again. It is too good. We're but moths to the TOWERING INFERNO that is this pairing.
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« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2007, 09:01:25 AM »

Did it ever occur to anyone that the last scene of the show suggests that in the next iteration, Dorothy and Angel will be lovers before Roger meets them? (It is an anime, after all.)
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« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2007, 09:13:33 AM »

Did it ever occur to anyone that the last scene of the show suggests that in the next iteration, Dorothy and Angel will be lovers before Roger meets them? (It is an anime, after all.)

Heh... wait, I hope you're not serious. Big O isn't risqué like that.
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« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2007, 09:36:53 AM »

Heh... wait, I hope you're not serious. Big O isn't risqué like that.

Really? There seemed to be plenty of bondage and flagellation. And in the new world that begins after the reset, who knows? (and before anyone objects that its for childern--Sailor Uranus. Sailor Neptune).

But more seriously, I am not among those that favor a third season anyway (It would just be more of the same), but I do think that the romances in the show have to be interpreted allegorically--like the Song of Songs.
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