Neo Dominus Movement?

[S.D.]

Neo Dominus Movement

A long time ago, an animated series called the Big O was aired on Cartoon Network's Toonami. Later, it was moved up to Adult Swim's block. This series was very popular with North American audiences, but it was nowhere as well received in Japan. So, Bandai, the parent company of the studio that developed the Big O, opted not to fund a second season.

Negative feedback from fans in North America and other Western countries convinced Cartoon Network/Adult Swim that they should fund a second season themselves, for the sake of increasing their overall profits. So, after a few years, the second season was released; unfortunately, it received mixed reviews and it was judged by Cartoon Network/Adult Swim that they should not pursue a third season, even though they had the option for one in a contract they signed with Bandai/Sunrise.

A pro-third season movement began amongst fans of the Big O, but many pitfalls prevented them from gaining any headway. So, Cartoon Network/Adult Swim had no problems with just letting the show and fans slide into oblivion.

Now, the movement has sputtered and died. But a new one has begun. A darker, more aggressive, but somewhat more reasoned and principled one. From henceforth, all members of the pro-third season movement (Neo Dominus Movement), so long as they consider and are willing to act as members, must boycott Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, and Turner Broadcasting unconditionally and absolutely; with no exceptions. They must then actively use all resources availible, including anime websites and MySpace, to spread the word and to convince other people to do the same as them. They must do this unflichingly and irregardless of what other people say to or about them.

... ... ...

If anyone here really wants a third season, I mean, if you really, really, really want one, then this is the only way it is even slightly possible. It is a principle that explains much of our world: Results only come through genuine effort and sacrifice, but results are results, so through genuine efforts and sacrifice, we may, at the very least, be taken somewhat seriously, and at best, after some struggle, get what we want.

In reality, none of this would cost most of us more than an hour a day and abstinence from certain television programs, but in return we can exercise our will power and actually, at best, obtain something desirable to us, and, at least, get revenge on these companies for refusing to provide a third season after that the ambiguous ending of the second.

[Hobo]

... yeah, I don't see that working, or mattering.

They don't care if you watch if you're not a Nielsen viewer.

[S.D.]

... yeah, I don't see that working, or mattering.

They don't care if you watch if you're not a Nielsen viewer.

This post is next to worthless in terms of what it contributes. If you're going to make a statement like that, try to elaborate on it so that it actually means something as opposed to just being a waste of time. I can't believe I spent two seconds reading that. My god, most anime viewers probably don't even know what the Nielson system is, and yet here you mentioning it in such a way as to implicit it is common knowledge.

Or, more politely; can you please expound on your point so that we might better understand it? From what basis are you arguing? I thought the purpose of a network was to expand its viewership for the purpose of increasing the statistics it can present to investors and customers (like people trying to air commercials) at meetings and such, and, if their viewership decreases, their ratings decreases, so their all-important statistics decreases.

If Nielson viewers are all that matters, then why are they trying to promote these channels and websites to the general public? Why are they even accessible to the general public?

Since they are doing all these things, it seems self-evident that your point is mistaken. You ought to have seen the signs earlier and refrained from saying what you just did.

... Anyway, it is my understanding that the Nielson system is being revamped due to inaccuracies.

Also, I don't think it matters whether we are Nielson viewers are not, so long as we recruit enough people and make it clear that our members are following through with it.

Even more specifically, the Turner Broad Casting boycott is workable because most of us don't use Turner Broad Casting services beyond cartoon channels anyway; even if the rest of the companies don't feel it, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, and Boomerang will, Nielson system or not. And they are what is significant.

[The Big Finale]

"Get revenge"? For CN not funding a Japanese cartoon? This is certainly a great way to show our maturity. There may be a lot of people who like Big O - but it's not massively popular, and even giving a generous estimate, the number of Big O fans who desire a Season III so much as to put this amount of effort into spurning a cable channel and aren't interested in watching anything else from Turner Broadcasting is impressively low, not nearly enough to even make the slightest impact on the ratings.

Bottom line as I see it; the proposed tactic is childish, with little merit, and would be totally futile while serving to form further bias against fans of this anime.

But hey, I can't stop you from trying.

[S.D.]

"Get revenge"? For CN not funding a Japanese cartoon? This is certainly a great way to show our maturity. There may be a lot of people who like Big O - but it's not massively popular, and even giving a generous estimate, the number of Big O fans who desire a Season III so much as to put this amount of effort into spurning a cable channel and aren't interested in watching anything else from Turner Broadcasting is impressively low, not nearly enough to even make the slightest impact on the ratings.

Bottom line as I see it; the proposed tactic is childish, with little merit, and would be totally futile while serving to form further bias against fans of this anime.

But hey, I can't stop you from trying.

It's immature to stop watching the channel that neglected to pursue the Big O, but gave rise to Robot Chicken and Moral Orel? The people who say it is immature are those who suffer from it. I don't see why their morality applies to unsatisfied customers.

First of all, the difficulty of getting people to boycott Turner Broadcasting on the whole isn't so bad. Most people aren't aware of or visit most networks or websites sponsored by that company. What's difficult is boycotting Adult Swim and Cartoon Network, and they are the only ones that really matter (and Boomerang, I guess).

I don't see what's wrong with trying to get people to stop watcing (and thus endorsing) a channel that churns out progressivley worse shows anyway. So, I don't get watching Adult Swim as though there is no difference between these newer shows and the Big O.

[Mike]

Um...yeah. I personally disliked the entire second season, it was confusing and all-over-the-place, plus the animation was hit or miss.

The show's over. There's not going to be more. Did the ending suck? Yeah. Oh well. Don't obsess over a show that hasn't had any new episodes in 4 years, find something else to watch, there's plenty of good stuff out there.

[DOMON KASSHU!]

Like Gurren Lagann. Everyone start posting there now.
War.

[The Big Finale]

I don't see what's wrong with trying to get people to stop watching (and thus endorsing) a channel that churns out progressively worse shows anyway. So, I don't get watching Adult Swim as though there is no difference between these newer shows and the Big O.

You're talking like your opinions are absolutes, and this may come as a shock, but they're not. People watch shows like Robot Chicken, Tom Goes To The Mayor, Metalocalypse, and the others because they do enjoy them just as much as Big O, or even (le gasp) consider Big O to be a perfectly-wrapped package of LAME in comparison.

Like Gurren Lagann. Everyone start posting there now.

Apparently I need to see this show.

[Hobo]

... yeah, I don't see that working, or mattering.

They don't care if you watch if you're not a Nielsen viewer.

This post is next to worthless in terms of what it contributes. If you're going to make a statement like that, try to elaborate on it so that it actually means something as opposed to just being a waste of time. I can't believe I spent two seconds reading that. My god, most anime viewers probably don't even know what the Nielson system is, and yet here you mentioning it in such a way as to implicit it is common knowledge.

Or, more politely; can you please expound on your point so that we might better understand it? From what basis are you arguing? I thought the purpose of a network was to expand its viewership for the purpose of increasing the statistics it can present to investors and customers (like people trying to air commercials) at meetings and such, and, if their viewership decreases, their ratings decreases, so their all-important statistics decreases.

If Nielson viewers are all that matters, then why are they trying to promote these channels and websites to the general public? Why are they even accessible to the general public?

Since they are doing all these things, it seems self-evident that your point is mistaken. You ought to have seen the signs earlier and refrained from saying what you just did.

... Anyway, it is my understanding that the Nielson system is being revamped due to inaccuracies.

Also, I don't think it matters whether we are Nielson viewers are not, so long as we recruit enough people and make it clear that our members are following through with it.

Even more specifically, the Turner Broad Casting boycott is workable because most of us don't use Turner Broad Casting services beyond cartoon channels anyway; even if the rest of the companies don't feel it, Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, and Boomerang will, Nielson system or not. And they are what is significant.

The Nielson Rating System is common enough knowledge that I shouldn't have to explain it.

Sldo: Internet petitions.  Serious Business.

[Xel]

They must do this unflichingly and irregardless of what other people say to or about them.

Ahee. "Irregardless?"

I do wonder when this crusade will end.

[paul1290]

A lot of people seem to be under the impression that a season 3 isn't being made because of poor ratings, but this simply is not true.

Big-O got excellent ratings for an anime on both Toonami and Adult Swim. It actually beat most of the other anime shown on Adult Swim when the second season was being shown.


The real reason Adult Swim didn't fund a 3rd season is because they care more about their comedy shows. I know it sounds like another one of those silly "Adult Swim hates anime" arguements, but in this case it's actually true.

For most anime Adult Swim only has to buy the rights to show them. They do not have to cover the entire production cost, which makes them relatively cheap.

Big-O is different. Adult Swim had to cover the entire production cost of the second season of Big-O. This means that Big-O ended up being several times more expensive than most of Adult Swim's other shows. Big-O can easily compete with other anime shown on Adult Swim. However, because Adult Swim has to pay for it's production costs as well, a 3rd season would have had to compete directly with Adult Swim's comedy for their money.

So instead of this sort of competition:
Big-O    vs.    Inuyasha

You get this sort of competition:
Big-O    vs.    Family Guy + Futurama + ATHF + Sealab

Each of those comedy shows cost Adult Swim only a fraction of what it would cost to get new seasons of Big-O. In order to get the needed cash for a 3rd season, Big-O would have had to get ratings better than those comedy shows. It's obvious that no anime could have possibly won in this situation.


In short, Big-O wasn't stopped short because of ratings, it was because it was far too expensive for its own good. Because of it's higher price tag it had to compete with Adult Swim's comedy shows for money, which was a battle it couldn't possibly win.

[DOMON KASSHU!]

ATHF and Sealab are cheaper because the animation is shit. How ATHF got its own movie I'll never know.
War.

[Big Jauln]

I think this is a little radical.  To boycott all turner broadcasting completely?  They wont care at all.  We have only so many against all these people.  And besides, I'd like to keep watching Robot Chicken or Family Guy.  They have much more popular programming on against a mixed review series.  The only way we'll be able to do something, is if there's someway to bring Big O into attention.  Right now, Turner is to strong to take head on.

[S.D.]

I think this is a little radical.  To boycott all turner broadcasting completely?  They wont care at all.  We have only so many against all these people.  And besides, I'd like to keep watching Robot Chicken or Family Guy.  They have much more popular programming on against a mixed review series.  The only way we'll be able to do something, is if there's someway to bring Big O into attention.  Right now, Turner is to strong to take head on.

You could tone it down just to Cartoon Network and Adult Swim if you want, since those are the only ones that really matter. It is most definitely a radical suggestion and radical in practice, but radicalism is sometimes necessary to accomplish something. That's not to say that doing this will guarantee us a third season, but viewership is important. After all, Adult Swim proceeds along with its comedy shows because they retain viewership . . . they make no losses by dumping a show like the Big O. Making Big O popular, or remaining loyal to it, by itself isn't enough . . . you have to attack from every direction, so that Adult Swim believes that it is clearly in their economic interest to make a third season.

So, a serious campaign would want to:

1. Send letters and hand-written petitions (to show enduring loyalty).
2. Promote the show on the Internet and at Anime Conventions (to make it more popular, and thus ring in more loyalists).
3. Boycott those responsible for the non-existence of a third season.

So, a three-point attack is what I'm suggesting; all for the purpose of hitting Adult Swim economically.

1 and 2 mean "+" on the dollar sign and 3 means "-" . . . so making a third season means "+" and not making means "-" . . .

. . . Adult Swim is well-established enough of a program, Turner Broad Casting would probably want them to do whatever makes the most money. So, if the fans could convince them it will make them more money to sponsor a third season of the Big O, than that is what will undoubtedly happen.

You have to understand, up until this point, the campaign has focussed exclusively on a "+" approach . . . if you make this, then we give you money . . . however Adult Swim already gets a "+" from what they are doing right now, and a bigger plus than the one Big O fans can offer. However, if Big O fans become "brats" and adopt a "-" strategy in addition to their "+" strategy, then the chances Adult Swim will believe it is economically in their interest to make a third season will go up . . . and if they ever believe it, then it will happen. Such is the law of business and the entertainment industry.

[Mike]

However, if Big O fans become "brats" and adopt a "-" strategy in addition to their "+" strategy, then the chances Adult Swim will believe it is economically in their interest to make a third season will go up . . . and if they ever believe it, then it will happen. Such is the law of business and the entertainment industry.

They'll probably just give you the finger and say something like "we won't miss the ten of you"