Neo Dominus Movement?

[S.D.]

However, if Big O fans become "brats" and adopt a "-" strategy in addition to their "+" strategy, then the chances Adult Swim will believe it is economically in their interest to make a third season will go up . . . and if they ever believe it, then it will happen. Such is the law of business and the entertainment industry.

They'll probably just give you the finger and say something like "we won't miss the ten of you"

Lol, well, that's where number 2 comes in. Each of these relies on the others for success.

[Xel]

They'll probably just give you the finger and say something like "we won't miss the ten of you"

Ahaha. I'm thinking you're a little closer to the truth there. AS in particular can be notoriously stubborn when their viewership reacts in a way that they don't approve of. I'm thinking of the MASSIVE disapproval over shows like Tom Goes and Assy McGee, to which AS pretty much responded with, "screw all of you, WE think they're funny, so you can just shut up and deal with it."

Of course, more and more I'm beginning to think this thread is all about pure theory and speculation, rather than dedicated to forming a serious plan of action. Which, although I don't particularly see the use in that case, is probably as it should be.

[S.D.]

They'll probably just give you the finger and say something like "we won't miss the ten of you"

Ahaha. I'm thinking you're a little closer to the truth there. AS in particular can be notoriously stubborn when their viewership reacts in a way that they don't approve of. I'm thinking of the MASSIVE disapproval over shows like Tom Goes and Assy McGee, to which AS pretty much responded with, "screw all of you, WE think they're funny, so you can just shut up and deal with it."

Of course, more and more I'm beginning to think this thread is all about pure theory and speculation, rather than dedicated to forming a serious plan of action. Which, although I don't particularly see the use in that case, is probably as it should be.

And virtually all the Tom Goes to Mayor haters returned to watching other programs on Adult Swim. Do you think that Adult Swim would keep it cool if people were actually making a point of boycotting their programs and following through with it? Making money is their reason for existing, and they need viewers for that.

Again, number 2 . . . loyal fans would have to stick to their guns while bringing new (and old) ones (back) into the fold and instilling the same desire into them. Maybe hard, maybe not so much . . . I've found Big O fans in the oddest corners of the Internet.

However, the overall reception of this thread was bitterly disappointing, both here and in my private messaging, so I don't really care much to champion the idea anymore. If I can't even get one or two people who want a third season on board, there's no sense in talking seriously about this.

So, not only is it not theory and speculation . . . it is actually a boring joke.

Still, I didn't think it was that hard at a conceptual level.

1. Send letters. Five minutes to write at the most. Easy task.
2. Bring people into the fold while remaing loyal yourself. The hardest. But still doable.
3. Don't watch Adult Swim or Cartoon Network. Actually pretty easy, since it is just asking people not to do something as opposed to asking them to do something but apparently magic is required to pull this one off. 

[Mike]

Did anyone boycott AS entirely because of Tom Goes To The Mayor? I just changed the channel when it came on and turned it back when Robot Chicken or ATHF or something else...funny came on. That's probably what most people did too.

Also each episode of TGTTM probably cost like...$5 to make. So that's probably why they liked it so damn much.

[Xel]

And virtually all the Tom Goes to Mayor haters returned to watching other programs on Adult Swim. Do you think that Adult Swim would keep it cool if people were actually making a point of boycotting their programs and following through with it? Making money is their reason for existing, and they need viewers for that.

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However, the overall reception of this thread was bitterly disappointing, both here and in my private messaging, so I don't really care much to champion the idea anymore. If I can't even get one or two people who want a third season on board, there's no sense in talking seriously about this.

Well, but I think that's the crux of it right there. However much people who want a third season want a third season... they don't want it that much. Although I think many would be quite happy if a third season were to happen, they're not so invested that they want to go to war over it. I'm ambivalent about the existence of a hypothetical third season to begin with, myself, but if it happened, I'd probably think it was pretty neat. But am I so invested that I have any intention of fighting for it? Well, no, not even close.

Perhaps many people think similarly: if it happens, great. But if it doesn't, that's okay too, because it's not a thing they think is necessarily worth fighting for. The responses I've seen have by and large illustrated clearly, I think, the conclusion that fans are willing and more than able to live without season three.

[Mike]

I agree with Xel here. Sure it would be nice to have a season 3, but there are waaay better uses of peoples' time than militantly harassing/boycotting a TV show and making all kinds of plots to get it done.

[S.D.]

I don't think my three points are very labor intensitive.

[R. Daniel 01]

I don't think my three points are very labor intensitive.

Sure it is. Always telling yourself not to watch this or not to watch that... making yourself not watch some of the things that you want to watch. Sounds like hard work to me.

[S.D.]

I don't think my three points are very labor intensitive.

Sure it is. Always telling yourself not to watch this or not to watch that... making yourself not watch some of the things that you want to watch. Sounds like hard work to me.

Perhaps the majority of people would be under that illusion from the initial point, due to the fact they are accustomed to simply going along with their habits, and because Adult Swim would have never seemed as desirable back when they were under no constraints (even if they are just voluntary ones) to not watch it, but getting past the first few days or week, it would get progressively easier. If they thought about it, then they would realize there are plenty other things they can do with their time: Watch the Daily Show/Colbert Report, Engineering an Empire, HBO, ShowTime, or play video/computer games, watch anime/movies, read books/manga. Things like that.

So, the key is just, as Schwartzwalt would say, getting people to think about other options for entertainment. Unless you want to gulf between yourself and the third season of the Big O to expand into oblivion, YOU MUST THINK . . . of other things you can do with your time.

To be honest, I don't think there is anything radical about what I'm saying. Everything I have said is the bare minimum that needs to be done in order to conduct an efficient campaign. Tell them (Adult Swim) you want more? Basic rule. Get other people (old fans) to feel the same way? Another basic. Don't give them (Adult Swim) anything more (of yours) until they do? Again, basic.

[The Final Negotiator]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: aggressive actions invite aggressive resistance. C.N. is big enough to resist alot, even considering some of the garbage shows they've shown.

If there's any real-life lessons that could have been acquired from watching The Big O, it's to be cordial. Be diplomatic. Establish a dialogue. Unless you're threatened...Then fight like hell!

Respect C.N.'s wishes (ratings -> success -> money). Showing them how The Big O can increase their popularity and also be profitable is the name of the game. Remember, it may be a forward-thinking corporation, but it's still a corporation.

I personally pride myself as being a salesperson's worst nightmare. Why? The sales pitches and hard sells don't work. Now if there's a good product, and a salesperson is polite, then I might buy. Might...

If we focus on C.N.'s welfare, then we might be able to convince them to create a 3rd season.

.The Final Negotiator.

[Xel]

So, not only is it not theory and speculation . . . it is actually a boring joke.

A very persistent one, it would seem.

To be honest, I don't think there is anything radical about what I'm saying. Everything I have said is the bare minimum that needs to be done in order to conduct an efficient campaign. Tell them (Adult Swim) you want more? Basic rule. Get other people (old fans) to feel the same way? Another basic. Don't give them (Adult Swim) anything more (of yours) until they do? Again, basic.

There's a big practical problem I see with this, however: people won't do it. It doesn't matter how basic it is, it doesn't matter if you shout to the heavens how we're all blind sheep unwilling to think, or anything of the sort. If people simply do not care enough to employ those methods, then it would seem that that's that.

If there's any real-life lessons that could have been acquired from watching The Big O, it's to be cordial. Be diplomatic. Establish a dialogue. Unless you're threatened...Then fight like hell!

Aheh, I concur. However, I don't feel in the slightest that Adult Swim's persistent refusal to give into the righteously outraged yipping of a handful of anime fans amounts to a threat, in the end. I don't think it reflects well on us at all, to push and push and push and push and devise scheme after scheme until we get our way. Not just as fans, but as, uh, adults? XD Make an effort, sure. But once AS has laid down its unmoving stance (as I feel they have already), I think it behooves us to accept that like reasonable human beings and be glad we fought for it. I just don't see the need to fight to the bitter end. I think it's a waste of time and aggression and energy for something that really doesn't matter that much in the end.

[S.D.]

But once AS has laid down its unmoving stance (as I feel they have already), I think it behooves us to accept that like reasonable human beings and be glad we fought for it.

Sounds like weak willed adaption to me. To each their own.

[Xel]

But once AS has laid down its unmoving stance (as I feel they have already), I think it behooves us to accept that like reasonable human beings and be glad we fought for it.

Sounds like weak willed adaption to me. To each their own.

Hee. I'd call it contentment, but I figured you'd say something like that. Then fight on, soldier.

[6moondance]

aggressive actions invite aggressive resistance. C.N. is big enough to resist a lot, even considering some of the garbage shows they've shown.

True

The only way AS or any other company would even consider a third season, movie, DVD etc. of Big O  is if they felt they could make more money from Big O than they could from anything else.  Right now that possibility is remote.  AS lists the number of hits each program on the AS Fix receives and Big O is near the bottom.  As lousy as AS's comedies are, they have a lot more hits than Big O.    Maybe H. L Mencken was right when he said, "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the tastes of the American public."

[The Final Negotiator]

Let's not forget however, Cartoon Network doesn't just make money from video and merchandise sales, but from sponsors as well.

What would a sponsor do if you sent them a receipt for one of their products, and honestly stated something like "I saw your product advertised during The Big O on Cartoon Network. I decided to buy it"? They may indeed advertise all over Cartoon Network's lineup, but the only time you saw their ad was during The Big O.

Assuming the sponsor considered you to be an honest person (since it doesn't seem to be the strategy of a fanatical fan), they might consider asking for more ads during The Big O, indirectly encouraging Cartoon Network to show more interest in it. What Cartoon Network will do then is anybody's guess, but at least Big O is earning money for them again. I know, it's all speculation, but this is one factor that we have some control over. Some...

.The Final Negotiator.