A Few Big O Questions

[Ark]

Hi there.

I'm currently rewatching Big O and am noticing a lot of things I didn't see on previous viewings. So far it's three main things.

1) In Winter Night Phantom what is the situation with Doston and that woman from the black and white film?

2) In "Enemy is Another Big" at the end Dorothy goes to the room that Angel had phoned Roger from earlier in the episode. What was going on here?







3) In "R.D." while cleaning Roger's living room near to the beginning of the episode Dorothy discovers a cigarette just like in "Enemy is Another Big" (the previous episode). Is this implying that Angel has been making secret visits?






Many thanks

[Professor Vogler]

The first one with Dastun takes a bit of explaining... and still it's a big mystery.

The last two however are simpler to figure out... those scenes just emphasize Dorothy's distrust of Angel (and that the audience shouldn't trust her either).


... getting back to Dastun and Sybil Rowan (the Winter Night Phantom). The first episode of this little plot (WNP) shows us a truer more natural and authentic version of Dastun, one which we've yet to see so far in the series. He suddenly gets these flashes of Memories which show Sybil and an officer in a movie. At the end of the episode Dastun and the Phantom pretty much reenact by coincidence the ending of the movie. They seem to share a common bond (held by them being in each other's Memories) and by how they are in terms carrying out their duties (Dastun's an MP, Sybil ...?)

It's revealed in SeasonII that the Memories are perhaps more twisted than anyone could think possible. The movie is seen playing in a theater with "Dan Dastun and Sybil Rowan" starring. Dastun rushed into the theater and finds what can only be guessed as his childhood self and his childhood girlfriend sitting in the theater alone.

What does it all mean? I think it means that there's more to Paradigm City than meets the eye.

[Ark]

Thanks for the response.

The last two however are simpler to figure out... those scenes just emphasize Dorothy's distrust of Angel (and that the audience shouldn't trust her either).

Do you believe the implication to be though (in the case of the second one) that Angel has been coming undercover to the mansion? It's never implied that she met with Roger again there after her visit as Casey Jenkins. If so she's a pretty lousy spy, leaving cigarettes on the floor.

That reminds me that in that episode Roger wakes up after having a nightmare and see's a figure in the red cloak jumping off the side of his building. I assumed that was R.D but I suppose it could have been angel.

[Hobo]

I don't think Angel felt any need to hide any meetings with Roger.  Perhaps hide them from Alex, but there's not much reason to hide the fact you were somewhere when you were overtly visiting the owner of the facility.

And if she was there without Roger's knowledge, she shouldn't be smoking in his rudding living room.

[shadowdorothy]

agreed. however I always thought that the "hidden" cigrette meant that Angel had been spying on Roger to a short extent.

[neoncoyote]

This whole thread brings interesting thoughts into my head like... does Angel spy on him when he's showering, dancing to Hip to Be Square or something?

[paul1290]

Has anyone noticed that Angel almost never seems to finish a cigarette?

She always either gets rid of it early or is interrupted by something, like when Roger questions why she is smoking when they are trapped underwater.

Not sure if it means anything, just something I noticed.

[Tifaria]

She doesn't finish her meal, either, when she's on her "date" with Roger.  If I recall correctly, he notices this too, but it's been a while since I've watched the show.  I would guess that it's a way of hinting towards something being Not Quite Right with Angel, i.e. her being not human.  Or maybe it doesn't mean anything, there's no telling. 

[Ark]

I just rewatched ep 22 and it's clearly shown that Angel can enter the mansion without being let in by Norman. The fact she does it so nonchalantly suggests she'd done it before as well, seeing as how she'd intended to talk with Roger (rather than spy) but didn't bother to knock.

I wonder why she'd done it previously though

Also were the flowers Roger bought intended for her?

[DOMON KASSHU!]

no, the flowers where intended to brighten up the mansion. and i think angel (srry in advance rabid fans) is a hor or bligemic or how ever you spell it. the prof's all there, cigerattes help you lose wait, she wears the tightest jump suit imaginable and never seems to eat!

You have just committed murder of a most foul nature. The English language has been with us for centuries, and you go and, in a single post, completely disembowel, rape, and defile the poor mutilated corpse of the English language, leaving tattered scraps dangling to the wind.

God have mercy on your soul, for I shan't. I have held in my opinion on this long enough in favor of being polite, but I can no longer hold back when witness to brutal literary homicide. I pray Shakespeare rises from his grave and beats you to death with the remnants of his second favorite bed.
War.

[Tifaria]

no, the flowers where intended to brighten up the mansion. and i think angel (srry in advance rabid fans) is a hor or bligemic or how ever you spell it. the prof's all there, cigerattes help you lose wait, she wears the tightest jump suit imaginable and never seems to eat!

You have just committed murder of a most foul nature. The English language has been with us for centuries, and you go and, in a single post, completely disembowel, rape, and defile the poor mutilated corpse of the English language, leaving tattered scraps dangling to the wind.

God have mercy on your soul, for I shan't. I have held in my opinion on this long enough in favor of being polite, but I can no longer hold back when witness to brutal literary homicide. I pray Shakespeare rises from his grave and beats you to death with the remnants of his second favorite bed.
War.

Quoted for truth and emphasis.

And I know I shouldn't even respond to such a ludicrous comment (which seems to have disappeared anyway), but seriously?  Did we watch the same show?  I will never understand people who try to characterize Angel as a slut or a whore.  Please cite some evidence for your outrageous accusation.  Also, I just mentioned her not eating a few posts ago.  It's got nothing to do with her having an eating disorder. 

The flowers, meanwhile, have been a topic of much debate, though I personally believe they were intended for Angel.   

[neoncoyote]

no, the flowers where intended to brighten up the mansion. and i think angel (srry in advance rabid fans) is a hor or bligemic or how ever you spell it. the prof's all there, cigerattes help you lose wait, she wears the tightest jump suit imaginable and never seems to eat!

And I know I shouldn't even respond to such a ludicrous comment (which seems to have disappeared anyway), but seriously?  Did we watch the same show?  I will never understand people who try to characterize Angel as a slut or a whore.  Please cite some evidence for your outrageous accusation.  Also, I just mentioned her not eating a few posts ago.  It's got nothing to do with her having an eating disorder. 

The flowers, meanwhile, have been a topic of much debate, though I personally believe they were intended for Angel.   

Haha seriously! I feel like they're watching a totally different show. In no way is Angel a slut or whore, she's just doing her job and has the role of femme fatale(watch more old school movies and you'll see most femme fatales are like that, shadowdorothy). Also, just because she wears a tight jumpsuit does not mean anything besides she needs some to work in and something to prove that she has a sexy body(while not being slutty). I would know-- I'm into fashion and women like wearing what makes their body look nice.

Nor does she have an eating disorder. She's too curvalicious for that! Maybe she just works out a lot and eats small portions? Jeez.

[Ark]

no, the flowers where intended to brighten up the mansion. and i think angel (srry in advance rabid fans) is a hor or bligemic or how ever you spell it. the prof's all there, cigerattes help you lose wait, she wears the tightest jump suit imaginable and never seems to eat!

And I know I shouldn't even respond to such a ludicrous comment (which seems to have disappeared anyway), but seriously?  Did we watch the same show?  I will never understand people who try to characterize Angel as a slut or a whore.  Please cite some evidence for your outrageous accusation.  Also, I just mentioned her not eating a few posts ago.  It's got nothing to do with her having an eating disorder. 

The flowers, meanwhile, have been a topic of much debate, though I personally believe they were intended for Angel.   

Haha seriously! I feel like they're watching a totally different show. In no way is Angel a slut or whore, she's just doing her job and has the role of femme fatale(watch more old school movies and you'll see most femme fatales are like that, shadowdorothy). Also, just because she wears a tight jumpsuit does not mean anything besides she needs some to work in and something to prove that she has a sexy body(while not being slutty). I would know-- I'm into fashion and women like wearing what makes their body look nice.

Nor does she have an eating disorder. She's too curvalicious for that! Maybe she just works out a lot and eats small portions? Jeez.

Is she technically a femme fatale?

She doesn't really seem to cause any harm.

I guess those flowers must have been for Angel. If they'd been for Dorothy he would have given them all to her instead of just one. That's kind of selfish of Roger though. I mean, he's still trying to "get with" her even though she almost let Dorothy be destroyed.

[neoncoyote]

Is she technically a femme fatale?

She doesn't really seem to cause any harm.

Maybe not femme fatale per se, but I'm pretty sure that's what kind of character they wanted from her. The mysterious woman with the troubled past, etc. etc.

[Ark]

Also I've just noticed that at the beginning of ep23 Dorothy tries to tell Roger something about Angel and then says that she told a lie to Norman.