A Few Big O Questions

[Tifaria]

Is she technically a femme fatale?

She doesn't really seem to cause any harm.

I guess those flowers must have been for Angel. If they'd been for Dorothy he would have given them all to her instead of just one. That's kind of selfish of Roger though. I mean, he's still trying to "get with" her even though she almost let Dorothy be destroyed.

Angel acts like a femme fatale, but she's not really.  At first she sneaks around spying and trying to use Roger for her own gain, but I think it becomes clear by the halfway point of the series that it's all an act.  She's a better person than everyone gives her credit for.   

He's trying to apologize to Angel, not "get with" her.  By this point he's made up his mind about the two women, even if he's still denying it.  The flowers are (in my opinion, mind you) a flimsy way of trying to apologize to Angel for what happened on the beach. 

Also I've just noticed that at the beginning of ep23 Dorothy tries to tell Roger something about Angel and then says that she told a lie to Norman.

 

If I recall correctly, she means that she lied about talking to someone when Angel was in the house. 

[Ark]

Okay, I just finished the series.

So did paradigm city ever exist?

[Big Money]

Okay, I just finished the series.

So did paradigm city ever exist?

The million dollar question ^

Although, really, most of us old timers have really moved beyond asking any questions about anything: what happened happened.

The only thing that still gets me is Dastun, the whole movie theater thing, crashing and all that. Though I've essentially come to the same conclusion that there wasn't a reason for it, the people in charge of making the show just did whatever seemed cool at the time.

It's always fun to think about the mysterious elements, though...

[Anebo]

When Dorothy visited Roger's apratment (somehow keeping a sevret from Dorothy) she was not spying on Roger. I will leave it to your imagination to figure out what she and Roger were doing alone, in case you are of innocent years may I suugest they palyed checkers together?

Angel certianly does do harm--she erases the enitre fabric of the universe after all.

The whole red ballon thing--the release of the red ballon is a messianic sign. That is why she says its too soon at the beggining of the second season when she sees a red ballon flying up from the crowd (yes, that statment could as well refer to the Union attacking too soon with the three robots, but that is jsut a co-incidence without meaning), but it wasn't the right red balloon. Since she is both the creator and destroyer of the universe she knows the schedule according to which its history proceeds and the meaning of even the msot insignficant events.

[The Final Negotiator]

Okay, I just finished the series.

So did paradigm city ever exist?

As confusing as it sounds, Paradigm City exists as surely as the Matrix does (although no red pill). In fact, also similar to the Matrix, Paradigm City has actually existed many times, although it's two most recent periods of existence seem the most significant, both to PC's inhabitants ("tomatoes"), and to Angel (Paradigm City's "Architect" of sorts, only cooler). Of course we can only speculate what happened in it's most recent "existence" (with Angel and Dorothy standing side by side watching Roger drive away).

Although, I'm left with one question, too. The Angel watching the TV screens, what is her city called? New York, as some have speculated, or is it also Paradigm City?

[R. Daniel 01]

PC's inhabitants ("tomatoes")

Not ALL the inhabitants are the "precious tomatoes." Remember, Gordon Rosewater was only producing clones for Paradigm City's senators, and for himself as well.

Although, I'm left with one question, too. The Angel watching the TV screens, what is her city called? New York, as some have speculated, or is it also Paradigm City?

I don't see a reason for why the name would change. Roger also still refers to Paradigm City as Paradigm City, in his final line.

The whole red ballon thing--the release of the red ballon is a messianic sign. That is why she says its too soon at the beggining of the second season when she sees a red ballon flying up from the crowd (yes, that statment could as well refer to the Union attacking too soon with the three robots, but that is jsut a co-incidence without meaning)

This was so silly I couldn't ignore it. Reading way too deeply into something very simple.

[Ignore the man behind the curtain.]

[The Final Negotiator]

PC's inhabitants ("tomatoes")

Not ALL the inhabitants are the "precious tomatoes." Remember, Gordon Rosewater was only producing clones for Paradigm City's senators, and for himself as well.

OK, I'll admit I may have overstepped my bounds in saying that all of PC were "precious tomatoes". However, I still have to wonder if they were still "ordinary tomatoes", because I'm not convinced that the other PC inhabitants besides R. Dorothy, R-D, and two other important individuals from Act 15 and Act 26, are just well-programmed, well-disguised androids, and that's taking into account the number of almost perfect Roger androids made. However, the androids theory would explain how that one officer could survive the ordeal of that protest gone wrong.

Although, I'm left with one question, too. The Angel watching the TV screens, what is her city called? New York, as some have speculated, or is it also Paradigm City?

I don't see a reason for why the name would change. Roger also still refers to Paradigm City as Paradigm City, in his final line.

Well, maybe it's me, but it appeared to me that the Angel watching the TV screens was outside of the "reset-able" PC, like when a computer operator runs a simulation. Of course, now that I think of it, that does make her different from "the Architect" of the Matrix, who is always inside the Matrix.

The whole red ballon thing--the release of the red ballon is a messianic sign. That is why she says its too soon at the beggining of the second season when she sees a red ballon flying up from the crowd (yes, that statment could as well refer to the Union attacking too soon with the three robots, but that is jsut a co-incidence without meaning)

This was so silly I couldn't ignore it. Reading way too deeply into something very simple.

[Ignore the man behind the curtain.]

Wait, didn't she release the first ballon? Thinking about it now, if she released the balloon after she said "it's too soon..." maybe she was sending her balloon as a "STOP!" message to The Union. With The Big O, one finds it increasingly difficult to ignore the men and/or women behind the curtain...

[Hobo]

PC's inhabitants ("tomatoes")

Not ALL the inhabitants are the "precious tomatoes." Remember, Gordon Rosewater was only producing clones for Paradigm City's senators, and for himself as well.

OK, I'll admit I may have overstepped my bounds in saying that all of PC were "precious tomatoes". However, I still have to wonder if they were still "ordinary tomatoes", because I'm not convinced that the other PC inhabitants besides R. Dorothy, R-D, and two other important individuals from Act 15 and Act 26, are just well-programmed, well-disguised androids, and that's taking into account the number of almost perfect Roger androids made. However, the androids theory would explain how that one officer could survive the ordeal of that protest gone wrong.

Wait, do people still think Roger was an android or that the scene in question wasn't just symbolism?

[R. Daniel 01]

OK, I'll admit I may have overstepped my bounds in saying that all of PC were "precious tomatoes". However, I still have to wonder if they were still "ordinary tomatoes", because I'm not convinced that the other PC inhabitants besides R. Dorothy, R-D, and two other important individuals from Act 15 and Act 26, are just well-programmed, well-disguised androids, and that's taking into account the number of almost perfect Roger androids made.

I don't think there's a distinction between "ordinary" or "precious." I just said "precious" for the heck of it, because that's what Gordon called the clones at one point. As for the image of the androids, I'm going to have to agree with Hobo and the vets. Whatever it was, it definitely wasn't the truth.

However, the androids theory would explain how that one officer could survive the ordeal of that protest gone wrong.

Seems to me that it's just a case of somebody improbably escaping death. Happens all the time in anime and comics, as I'm sure you've noticed.

Well, maybe it's me, but it appeared to me that the Angel watching the TV screens was outside of the "reset-able" PC, like when a computer operator runs a simulation. Of course, now that I think of it, that does make her different from "the Architect" of the Matrix, who is always inside the Matrix.

Matrix comparisons automatically make me want to roll my eyes. Regardless of whether she's inside PC like the Architect was in the Matrix, or whether she's outside PC unlike the Architect and the Matrix, I think she'd call Paradigm City, "Paradigm City."

We know that she went to basement level 666. I guess it's up to you to decide whether that counts as being in PC or not, but it seems kinda moot.

Thinking about it now, if she released the balloon after she said "it's too soon..." maybe she was sending her balloon as a "STOP!" message to The Union.

It wasn't clear that she did it on purpose. You could also interpret it as her being unsettled by the explosion, and then forgetting about the balloon as she went into deep thought. Angel had bigger concerns on her mind than being the Union's flag-bearer.

[EyeOfPain]

Angel actually went below Level 666. That was simply the most prominent number displayed.