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In screenwriting lingo: The Tomato SurpriseMakes perfect sense, no? For me, this takes a lot of the magic out of Konaka's game: take a figure of shop-speech and make it literal. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2009, 06:28:33 PM » |
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Makes sense, given the whole movie-like theme of Big-O.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2009, 02:15:39 PM » |
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Makes sense if ya ask me.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 08:27:13 AM » |
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Yeah, except at least one of those names were taken from Big O to begin with.
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« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 11:22:10 PM » |
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Yeah, except at least one of those names were taken from Big O to begin with.
Names? You mean tropes? |
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2009, 04:10:29 PM » |
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No, those tropes were named after the Tomato thing in Big O.
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2009, 04:51:50 PM » |
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No, those tropes were named after the Tomato thing in Big O.
Right. We meant the same thing. Our wording was different. However: The trope name comes from a set of writer's guidelines distributed circa 1980 by Analog magazine, written by its then-editor, George Scithers.The guidelines named the trope and gave as one of the examples hiding the fact that the hero is, in fact, a tomato. Obviously, this trope is easier to implement in print than on screen. So you see, the name of the trope wasn't taken from Big O. It seems you didn't actually read the whole article before posting about it. Don't do that. Especially when the article is a measly three paragraphs. |
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2009, 05:51:42 PM » |
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No, those tropes were named after the Tomato thing in Big O.
Right. We meant the same thing. Our wording was different. However: The trope name comes from a set of writer's guidelines distributed circa 1980 by Analog magazine, written by its then-editor, George Scithers.The guidelines named the trope and gave as one of the examples hiding the fact that the hero is, in fact, a tomato. Obviously, this trope is easier to implement in print than on screen. So you see, the name of the trope wasn't taken from Big O. It seems you didn't actually read the whole article before posting about it. Don't do that. Especially when the article is a measly three paragraphs. I've read both, oh arrogant one. I meant Tomato in the Mirror. To wit: The Trope Namer (of sorts) is The Big O, to the point of main character Roger Smith actually crying out "I'm one of the tomatoes!" Yeah, it sounded dumb, but it was a shocking twist. But it gets weirder still near the end, when he discovers this may not be the case, and he may have existed before Paradigm... |
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2009, 06:47:57 PM » |
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The troper only "sort of" drew the name from the Big O. But really, his article is like a branch of the Surprise article, so the thread of inspiration still goes back to the same place: Analog. And, seeing as how the Analog article existed ~25 years before tvtropes even existed...
Still, I see that the Mirror article isn't an ideal example. Imma take it down.
Sorry for being arrogant when I'm defending my whatever. It's a bad Internet tendency of mine.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2009, 09:09:25 PM » |
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Apology accepted.
Anyway, I wonder what he was going to put in S3 as a reason for the tomato thing....
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2009, 08:19:25 PM » |
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In screenwriting lingo: The Tomato SurpriseMakes perfect sense, no? For me, this takes a lot of the magic out of Konaka's game: take a figure of shop-speech and make it literal. (We can't delete posts?) One of these tropes is entirely based on big o and just lazily retroactively applied to other things ('tomato in the mirror' I think they call it? The battlestar galactica remake article mentions it I'm pretty sure.) |
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2009, 01:15:55 AM » |
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Yes, the Tomato in the Mirror article hails from Big O, as Cyber pointed up. The Tomato Surprise article supposedly comes from the 80's, though, so it remains a possibility.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2010, 03:00:18 PM » |
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I think this topic was discussed loads of time before at this forum
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 03:53:38 PM » |
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I think this topic was discussed loads of time before at this forum
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 08:56:47 PM » |
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I think this topic was discussed loads of time before at this forum
Wow, not helpful. You a bot? Most definitely a bot |
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