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Question: Who does Roger love?
Obviously, it's Dorothy. - 19 (82.6%)
No, It's Angel. - 4 (17.4%)
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« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2007, 08:24:25 PM »

what if roger went for vera.... or dastun.................................

Roger/Dastun is actually reasonably popular on the Japanese end of the fandom. I think it's cute, in a very... manly way.

Gives the scenario "Hey Roger, hands up assume the position".  O.O This is madness XD.  Or Roger and Alan, Alan likes to play dirty that would have been a human with a cyborg.
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2007, 09:52:18 PM »

Or Roger and Alan, Alan likes to play dirty that would have been a human with a cyborg.

Oh nono, it has to be Alex/Alan. Alan is a... very clever man, after all.

Or Beck, for some hot hostage-situation action. Ihaven'twrittenextensivelyonthisoranythingwhatareyoutalkingabout
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« Reply #62 on: October 17, 2007, 06:33:26 PM »

Or Roger and Alan, Alan likes to play dirty that would have been a human with a cyborg.

Oh nono, it has to be Alex/Alan. Alan is a... very clever man, after all.

Or Beck, for some hot hostage-situation action. Ihaven'twrittenextensivelyonthisoranythingwhatareyoutalkingabout

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« Reply #63 on: October 17, 2007, 07:19:04 PM »


Sorry, but although Angel and Dorothy share one frame at the end, they look like strangers waiting for a bus rather than a couple. The body language just isn't right... Sorry, Anebo, I know you wanted this to work out...

Dark-O/Baker: I feel bad for Angel, too. But then again, Dorothy's situation isn't great either. I used to compare Dorothy to Edward Scissorhands, but unlike Edward, she is "finished". Dr. Waynewright/Mr. Soldano, did the best they could. It's like an old computer game I remember, where if you died, the game attempted to "put you back together", but hinted that it couldn't restore you 100%.

That's R. Dorothy's situation - the late Dorothy Wayneright's memories, a "reset" personality (which is also a limited personality - the best her technology can provide), and a body that mostly resembles the human Dorothy (once again, as far her technology can provide), but with amazing strength and agility. She needs Roger to help her become less concerned with what's "missing" and just live. He's already dealing with "missing" memories.

I was rooting for Angel/Dastun big time, since Dan's first love interest died in Winter Night Phantom. Plus he had a conversation with her when he retrieved her gun. This would have only smoldered at first, but I'm thinking it would
have gotten real serious after that.

You've made some interesting observations, this caught my attention because I just read "Walking Together Down the Yellow Brick Road" a Big O radio play posted on Konaka's website. I saw the link on another thread in this forum. Konaka describes this little radio play as the "missing link" between seasons one & two. It really is quite an entertaining little read, it is especially telling in regards to the relationship between Dastun, Roger, Angel, and Dorothy.

I think Final Negotiator is pretty much on point when it comes to Dorothy. In the play she has sort of a fit over memories.

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That’s right! There’s even something wrong with me! I’m able to
play the piano because I have Memories of my own! The reason my
thoughts are so chaotic, that my regulatory functions are going
haywire, isn’t because I have a soul! It's an intolerable buffer
overflow error that’s being caused by the thought processes of
Dorothy Wayneright, the human I was modeled after, that are
lingering in my Memories! These human Memories that cause these
things in me... I... I’m sick of it.

What exactly are those "things" caused within her? Jealousy? Her attachment to Roger? What the play does indicate is that she does feel some part of her is missing, even though she is in fact complete. It's interesting that she mentions that the real Dorothy's thought processes are dominating her functions.

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[beat] (starting to regain composure)
I.. Suddenly came into being in this world. I had someone who
deserved to be called a father, but the reason I gained something like
self-awareness in this world isn’t because he triggered it. I came into
this world all alone... I don’t WANT to be alone. But I’m a being
who only has the ability to imitate humans...
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All in all, Dorothy is a tragic character in many respects. Obviously the word "want" is a key (this last quote was copied exactly how it appears on the script). There is certainly an emphasis on Dorothy's desires. Interestingly she mentions that this awareness of her desires was not triggered by Wayneright. She does not want to be alone, obviously and if she does not want to be alone she may certainly desire a partner. Perhaps that is why she almost seems to depend upon Roger.

Dorothy goes to Roger Smith not only seeking protection but, in a way, companionship. She also offers the same to Roger, she sort of becomes the main woman in his life. Certainly the same may be said for Angel, however, Dorothy does reside in his home. It's been said many times but Angel is a whole different type of person, she does not depend on others. Angel may want Roger Smith romantically, but she doesn't feel that she needs him. Despite being an android Dorothy is a much more fragile than Angel is.  Dorothy has never been very resilient when it comes to Roger, and vice-versa. However just because Dorothy and Roger rely one another for companionship does not imply that it is romantic, in the radio play there is a cute little exchange between Roger and Dorothy which Dastun describes as "brother and sister" or something to that effect. Although I personally believe that they are in love or would have been.

I may be wrong (not surprising) but I believe Dorothy is afraid of losing Roger and once again being left alone.

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« Reply #64 on: October 19, 2007, 05:24:31 AM »

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But you know why I'm glad we are? And it only just occurs to me that I've bottled up this sentiment for so long: it's because dammit, there is more to this series' relationship possibilities than Roger/Dorothy and Roger/Angel. *huffs.*

(Also I agree, I'd actually prefer Roger/Beck over Roger/Dastun, but the thing is, Roger/Beck couldn't actually be a relationship, per se, and they'd still hate each other pretty good. :3 That doesn't make it not hot, though. :X But Roger/Dastun actually has the capacity to be a little warm and fuzzy, in that kind of brusque masculine way they have.)

I'm still very interested in knowing just what Alan and Angel's history is all about. I also CAN'T be the only one who was highly interested in Alex's conversation with Beck about how "well, Alan's dead now, so I want you to work together with me. Forever." And Alex's apparent extreme aversion to/disrespect of women.

COME OOOOON, GUYS, EXERCISE THOSE IMAGINATIONS.


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I demand that you show me these images at once.

Angry sex, Xel?
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I continue to stand by my previous assertions, and also maintain that angry couples do exist and are canon in other anime: Bulma and Vegeta, to name the most famous one.
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« Reply #65 on: October 19, 2007, 10:39:43 AM »

All in all, Dorothy is a tragic character in many respects. Obviously the word "want" is a key (this last quote was copied exactly how it appears on the script). There is certainly an emphasis on Dorothy's desires. Interestingly she mentions that this awareness of her desires was not triggered by Wayneright. She does not want to be alone, obviously and if she does not want to be alone she may certainly desire a partner. Perhaps that is why she almost seems to depend upon Roger.

Dorothy goes to Roger Smith not only seeking protection but, in a way, companionship. She also offers the same to Roger, she sort of becomes the main woman in his life. Certainly the same may be said for Angel, however, Dorothy does reside in his home. It's been said many times but Angel is a whole different type of person, she does not depend on others. Angel may want Roger Smith romantically, but she doesn't feel that she needs him. Despite being an android Dorothy is a much more fragile than Angel is.  Dorothy has never been very resilient when it comes to Roger, and vice-versa. However just because Dorothy and Roger rely one another for companionship does not imply that it is romantic, in the radio play there is a cute little exchange between Roger and Dorothy which Dastun describes as "brother and sister" or something to that effect. Although I personally believe that they are in love or would have been.

I may be wrong (not surprising) but I believe Dorothy is afraid of losing Roger and once again being left alone.

I'm so glad you think this--it's exactly what I think! But you know, even if Dorothy was supremely hurt or feeling lost/abandoned, she'd definitely still fight back with all her usual cold wit and detachedness. She does have an appearance to uphold, it seems.
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« Reply #66 on: October 19, 2007, 06:39:24 PM »

I envy the time you all have on your hands.
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« Reply #67 on: October 27, 2007, 05:03:50 PM »

Canonically speaking, I'm going to say: neither.

Roger's relationship with Angel is, at first, very superficial. They are attracted to each other physically, because she's a beautiful blonde (also: catsuit), and he's a handsome young buisnessman with a snappy sense of style (also: rich).

Then there's a danger / excitement factor. Angel is a spy, she's sneaky, she's mysterious, she's dangerous. Roger is a negotiator, handling oftentimes hostile situations with ease, he's exciting, and he pilots a giant robot (I'm pretty sure Angel's figured this out very early on).

Later, there's a sense of familiarity: they live very different lives, and yet deal with much of the same things. Searching for answers, trying to fulfill their obligations (*snicker* destiny) in their own worlds.

But really they are very different people, and ultimately there are fundamental problems that would cause any serious relationship between to them fail. I think they both realize that. And, I think that Angel is OK with that and doesn't have any problem going for the short term, but Roger... Ah. Roger, the gentleman, with all his "Ladies Man" b.s. can't bring himself to get involved with Angel when he knows it will never work. He can't bring himself to kiss her, to let any of that building sexual tension actually go anywhere.

At the end of the season two, he tells her that he will always remember the woman who loves herself more than anyone. This is not "I love you". This is "I know you have the power to fulfill that need within yourself, so that you don't need me to do it for you".



Roger's relationship with Dorothy is heavily buried in denial. At first, he can't even bring himself to admit she's capable of feeling things like a human being. She's a robot, not human, she can't love.

Later, he denies that he is capable of feeling love for her, reacting so over-the-top at the very idea that it's painfully obvious that he's lying. Ironic that Angel sees it before even he does. As for Dorothy, it's already established in the series how she feels for Roger.

Other's have explained well enough what Roger & Dorothy have going for them-- I don't need to cover that again. But ultimately? I don't believe that Roger would ever be able to overcome his doubts and prejudices and commit to a relationship with the android. His funeral confessions to Dorothy embodies this: even after she's dead, he can't bring himself to admit that he loved her. Instead he skirts the issue and takes whatever regrets he had with him.

Yes, yes, the comment later about mouth to mouth. As a fan I'd like to justify that as a glimmer of hope, but honestly I think that we did get a third season, there would still never be any real resolution between them.



As far as fanon is concerned, Roger and Dorothy is one of the few couples that I really, really like and support. Why? Because they really play well off of each other. I love watching them interact, scenes in the series with both Roger and Dorothy are almost always better than with one or the other. Not only that, but they also work well together, complimenting each other rather than conflicting against (whereas with Roger and Angel, I think would conflict more than anything-- not that it can't be sexy conflict, ifyanowhatimean).

And they seem to genuinely care about each other.

I think they would work very well as a romantic couple, in a solid relationship-- if only Roger could get over the android hang up. Fan-wise, it works, canon-wise... not so much.



Now I'm going to relieve some of the fangirl naughtiness that's been neglected the last few months. Consider yourselves warned.

Man, forget you all. I vote for Angel/Dorothy. :<

Never mention this again. It is too good. We're but moths to the TOWERING INFERNO that is this pairing.

I can see it now: fan's brains spontaneously combust due to the sheer hawtness that is AngelxDorothy. Yes, it would be a painful death. But in the end-- worth it.

Vera/Angel would be acceptable as well, but I get the sense that I'm alone in this.

LET ME PONDER ON THIS.

..... OK.

(But in all serious, no. ... well. Maybe. Hmmmmm.... I think you should write about it.)

I'd definitely be intrigued if you wrote a fic, which described all the experiences the women have shared in the past. You wouldn't even need to mention much about a physical aspect before my imagination would take over.

YES PLZ.

In terms of building upon aspects already present, however, that does leave me still feeling extremely fond of both Alex/Alan and Vera/Alan. Mrf.

...Of course, I feel that I should clarify at this point, it's true that the relationships I describe more often than not have nothing to do with romance. At least not in a conventional sense, anyway. :3

OR. Or. Alex/Alan/Vera. Amirite??

Although, I can't even really fathom how to set that up. Any combination of two, however, already there.

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« Reply #68 on: October 30, 2007, 01:24:37 PM »

The stacked blonde and the goth android. I can see this. Someone write a poorly made fanfic with no plot lead in whatsoever and about three or four fancharacters.
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« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2007, 06:10:47 PM »

my thoughts
Roger/Dorothy having fun in a certain place*coughs*
Dastun/Angel ...So meant for each other...
>>>..<<< Alan/Alex ...yea yaoi! ^_^ (oh lord did i just say that?)
Ok so can someone come up with a girlfriend for Norman?
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« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2007, 06:52:28 PM »

Norman X That black chick from the dry cleaners

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« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2007, 05:04:25 PM »

Norman X That black chick from the dry cleaners

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Assuming it didn't already happen. Who knows, the biggest weapon at Norman's disposal might not be a rifle.
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« Reply #72 on: November 08, 2007, 05:33:39 PM »

Norman X That black chick from the dry cleaners

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Assuming it didn't already happen. Who knows, the biggest weapon at Norman's disposal might not be a rifle.

Norman = Peter North in 30 years?
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« Reply #73 on: November 10, 2007, 10:11:40 AM »

um dumb question but whos Peter North?
and yea the dry cleaner lady is a good idea. lol
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« Reply #74 on: November 10, 2007, 11:26:17 AM »

um dumb question but whos Peter North?
and yea the dry cleaner lady is a good idea. lol

Here's an idea, Shadowdorothy: Google the name.
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