Neo Dominus Movement?

[S.D.]

Quite a few people sound like Adult Swim apologists. I don't think any of these apologists have successfully explained why Big O fans owe Adult Swim something by continuing to watch their crappy shows while the show we like is shown at 5:00 in the morning (if at all).

[Mike]

We don't owe them anything. Some people just like Robot Chicken and/or Futurama.

[Xel]

Oh, S.D. Some of us just enjoy things that aren't Big O, that's all. In fact, I find that most of these things in life that I enjoy are not Big O.

I can't help but feel that you're really trying hard to shame us into taking up your crusade as our own. Either that or calling us "apologists" is simply the grumbling product of wounded sensibilities--don't get me wrong, this is no attack; merely an observation. Do I appreciate it? No, but it's not as though there's anything I can do about it, save for sharing my view. I will say, though, that I find a lot of your sentiments about this to be rooted in a certain omnipresent, general hostility (but particularly when you don't find that many agree with you), and that this--for myself--only distances me further from your cause.

For whatever it's worth.

[DOMON KASSHU!]

Oh, S.D. Some of us just enjoy things that aren't Big O, that's all. In fact, I find that most of these things in life that I enjoy are not Big O.

I can't help but feel that you're really trying hard to shame us into taking up your crusade as our own. Either that or calling us "apologists" is simply the grumbling product of wounded sensibilities--don't get me wrong, this is no attack; merely an observation. Do I appreciate it? No, but it's not as though there's anything I can do about it, save for sharing my view. I will say, though, that I find a lot of your sentiments about this to be rooted in a certain omnipresent, general hostility (but particularly when you don't find that many agree with you), and that this--for myself--only distances me further from your cause.

For whatever it's worth.

I must second this and add that this many years down the road, you to expect a third season of Big O is as likely to happen as me getting an ending to the Homefront Campaign of Roughnecks: The Starship Troopers Chronicles (which was full of godlike win, I might add).
War.

[The Final Negotiator]

I'm not an apologist, I just like some of other current shows on Cartoon Network besides The Big O. However, I also have no problem voicing which of their programs "suck". In fact, right now I dislike most of their shows because they insist on airing several CN original programs that are lame and way too obviously created on the cheap.

When I wanted to see decent cheap cartoons, the "Cartoon Cartoon" show was the way to go. Now even it's been slighted by their new lineup.

Vegeta, although Big O III is a longshot, I just can't declare it a dead series. Why?
- we still have cathedral radios and 50's jukeboxes, but now they play CD's
- we have emulators that emulate classic arcade games and vintage video game consoles.
- toy stores still have Silly Putty, Nerf (whether it's called Nerf or not), METAL slinkies, scooters,
  skateboards, Transformers (expensive reissues too), Star Wars figures, Hot Wheels/Matchbox cars, and
  Atari consoles.
- many current automobiles have either real chrome or chrome-looking plastic trim
- car buyers can still buy GTO's, Minis, Mustangs, Thunderbirds, Corvettes, Chargers, Rabbits, Beetles or
  (coming 2009) Camaros
- those desiring two-wheel transportation can still buy Vespa or Vespa-like motor scooters
- Hollywood is interested, more than ever, in making movies from classic cartoons, new and classic comics,
  and classic TV shows.

Someone once said "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach" (no, no, not through his ribcage, like some would say... ). The way to a company's heart is through it's wallet (or pocketbook, if we're being P.C...although, I'm usually not). When CN, or even someone else, can make money off of Big O again, it will be back.

.The Final Negotiator.

P.S. Couldn't they do an anime Robot Chicken episode with Big O? That's sort of live-action...

[DOMON KASSHU!]

I'm not an apologist, I just like some of other current shows on Cartoon Network besides The Big O. However, I also have no problem voicing which of their programs "suck". In fact, right now I dislike most of their shows because they insist on airing several CN original programs that are lame and way too obviously created on the cheap.

When I wanted to see decent cheap cartoons, the "Cartoon Cartoon" show was the way to go. Now even it's been slighted by their new lineup.

Vegeta, although Big O III is a longshot, I just can't declare it a dead series. Why?
- we still have cathedral radios and 50's jukeboxes, but now they play CD's
- we have emulators that emulate classic arcade games and vintage video game consoles.
- toy stores still have Silly Putty, Nerf (whether it's called Nerf or not), METAL slinkies, scooters,
  skateboards, Transformers (expensive reissues too), Star Wars figures, Hot Wheels/Matchbox cars, and
  Atari consoles.
- many current automobiles have either real chrome or chrome-looking plastic trim
- car buyers can still buy GTO's, Minis, Mustangs, Thunderbirds, Corvettes, Chargers, Rabbits, Beetles or
  (coming 2009) Camaros
- those desiring two-wheel transportation can still buy Vespa or Vespa-like motor scooters
- Hollywood is interested, more than ever, in making movies from classic cartoons, new and classic comics,
  and classic TV shows.

Someone once said "the way to a man's heart is through his stomach" (no, no, not through his ribcage, like some would say... ). The way to a company's heart is through it's wallet (or pocketbook, if we're being P.C...although, I'm usually not). When CN, or even someone else, can make money off of Big O again, it will be back.

.The Final Negotiator.

P.S. Couldn't they do an anime Robot Chicken episode with Big O? That's sort of live-action...

Roughnecks was popular. We still have sci-fi themed conventions. We use computers. Car companies are making sci-fi looking cars that are experiencing heavy success. Companies designing the first theoretical powered armours still go loosely with ideas presented in sci-fi by the likes of Heinlein and Asimov.

Like I said, you can note all those things. In the end, it doesn't help the cartoon you want a lick.
War.

[The Final Negotiator]

Roughnecks was popular. We still have sci-fi themed conventions. We use computers. Car companies are making sci-fi looking cars that are experiencing heavy success. Companies designing the first theoretical powered armours still go loosely with ideas presented in sci-fi by the likes of Heinlein and Asimov.

Like I said, you can note all those things. In the end, it doesn't help the cartoon you want a lick.
War.

Yes, you're correct. I guess I see people referring to Big O in AMV's on Youtube (BTW, two more Big O AMV's made it on there in the last few days - I updated my thread) and hear about Cartoon Network teasing Big O fans, and it appears (mirage or otherwise) there is still hope (slight hope) for more "Big O".

At this point, I think Cartoon Network is doing one of two things regarding Big O:

• Tease serious Big O fans until they go underground, stopping the mainstream interest in reviving Big O, and relegating it to occassional rebroadcasts on Adult Swim.
  
• Tease serious Big O fans until they go underground, stopping any "Revive Big O now!" campaigns, and allowing them to choose when (if ever) to create new Big O shows/movies.

Basically, it comes down to "Big O fanatics, go away already!" or "Listen, we'll create new Big O shows/movies when we feel like it." Really, if they want it dead, they should never discuss it with fans (kidding or otherwise) again. I know some overzealous fans annoyed them, and the teasing was CN's way of "getting even", but the teasing is now leading to more fan interest. If they let it go, we'll let it go. (Well alot of us will, anyway...)

.The Final Negotiator.

P.S. It's funny that I mentioned the Camaro. GM got rid of the Camaro, and didn't discuss anything about it until they wanted to bring it back (they took option #2 above). However, they now control when it comes back. Maybe CN just wants control again.

[Brooklyn Luckfield]

ANOTHER "We need a season 3" thread? I honestly though by now people would have gotten tired of stuff like this, I really did and honestly doubt boycotting AS will matter at all, and I doubt they would even care. Although I admit these threads are indeed worth a good chuckle.

As far as ratings go, like Paul said Season 2 did amazing for an anime, it just boils down to the fact that AS dislikes anime, and would rather make short, and crude comedy shows, although the fact they gave those moron's from Tom Goes to Mayor their own show is enough to merit UN sanctions against AS.

P.S Metalocalypse is mega win.

[6moondance]

I hate to admit it but AS is highly unlikely to make a third season of Big O.  Compare the number of hits for Big O or any of the other anime series versus the number of hits for AS comedy series.  The comedies get more hits than do the animes.  Even Assy Mc Gee gets more hits than Big O.

Gack!  Never underestimate the taste of the viewing public.

[The Final Negotiator]

ANOTHER "We need a season 3" thread? I honestly though by now people would have gotten tired of stuff like this, I really did and honestly doubt boycotting AS will matter at all, and I doubt they would even care. Although I admit these threads are indeed worth a good chuckle.

Yep, I'm afraid so. Nah, with all the boring stuff on AS, we find free time to do other things, like complain about Big O.
Most of us aren't into boycotting AS, and no, networks as large as them usually don't care. I only laugh at the ones who "shout it from their rooftops", but yeah I find those posts humorous, too! However, I respect the rational arguments of the rest of the fans here.

As far as ratings go, like Paul said Season 2 did amazing for an anime, it just boils down to the fact that AS dislikes anime, and would rather make short, and crude comedy shows, although the fact they gave those moron's from Tom Goes to Mayor their own show is enough to merit UN sanctions against AS.

P.S Metalocalypse is mega win.

Metalocalypse is GIGA win. Yeah, but TV networks are a fickle bunch. They go from sitcoms, dramas, lawyer shows, cop shows, doctor shows, action shows... Now they're getting into some SciFi (Ghost Whisperer, Lost, and The Bionic Woman, etc.)... Now suppose AS decides to "go serious" again some day?  I'm not encouraging more discussion about this. Just food for thought...

.The Final Negotiator.

P.S. UN sanctions against AS? R. Daniel, why didn't we think of this angle? *gets out stationery, writes feverishly* Just kidding, folks... Hey, lighten up, it's Friday...