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The Final Negotiator
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« on: January 29, 2011, 05:50:07 AM »

Well, Wednesday night, I traded in one cool automobile...



Bright Red 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix GT Coupe
- 3800 V6 (3.8 L/231 CI, Tuned-port, 200 HP/190 ft. lbs.) and 4T65-E 4-Spd Electronic Trans.
- P225/60R16 tires, 5-spoke "twisted-spoke" Alum. wheels, ABS brakes, rear deck wing
- 0-60 in 7.9 seconds
- 6-Speaker CD & EQ Stereo
- 11 years & 10 months old and 113,303 glorious miles...

In it's place, my wife's "old" car - a 2009 Hyundai Elantra. She was not having a good time driving it in the snow, of which we've gotten a lot. So, now she's driving a new Impreza.

Positives - 1) No repair "surprises" at what would have been my February/March inspection. 2) Ipod jack for my MP3...

Negatives - Um, well I'll miss the 200 horses a little, although fill-ups will probably get much cheaper. It could use some "mods". At least spring rubbers on the coils...
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 06:32:14 AM »

I don't see much of the point in owning a sports car, as you are almost never able to use its abilities.

The only sports car I would bother with is the Tesla Model S... because it's a fucking electric sports car. Also Tesla was the man, and anything bearing his name should be supported.

Now Sharp or someone will make a Red Alert joke.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2011, 02:43:20 PM »

The only sports car I would bother with is the Tesla Model S... because it's a fucking electric sports car. Also Tesla was the man, and anything bearing his name should be supported.

I saw one of those when I lived in NY.

I thought it was a Lotus driving down the street, but it was totally silent. It wasn't shooting lightning at the capitalist pigdogs, though.
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 03:26:35 PM »

Man you really loved that car didn't you? And you traded it in for a Hyundai if I read right.
I would've kept the old  car. But that's just me personally. So haw is the new car in comparison?
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2011, 07:40:51 PM »

I don't see much of the point in owning a sports car, as you are almost never able to use its abilities.

The only sports car I would bother with is the Tesla Model S... because it's a fucking electric sports car. Also Tesla was the man, and anything bearing his name should be supported.

Now Sharp or someone will make a Red Alert joke.

Now now I could always go the route of posting the tesla armor from fallout 2. I'm an enigma like that.

(Or, alternatively, complain there aren't lighters in cars anymore)
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2011, 05:46:34 PM »

Nea, this was no sports car, but an awesome Grand Prix sports edition: 196.5" (L) X 72.7" (W) X 54.7" (H), Wheelbase 110.5", ~3400 lbs, and the price of $20,000 much lower that you would pay for most sports cars. Accelerated as if thrown from a slingshot...really...very quick shifts. Never lagged on a hill, even with the engine in low RPM's. I'm one of the few bold enough to go full speed both down and up a 35-MPH corkscrew hill down the road from my house... I've already used it's "capabilities" as an "emergency shuttle" to help friends/family get to their destinations on time... In a clutch, it was a real performer...

"Red Alert" as in the Autobot? Actually, I would often go by the callsign "Side Swipe", though the GT was no red Lambo for sure...

Hey, don't get me wrong, the Tesla rocks (the man and the machine). However, as a negotiator of simple means, it would be difficult for me to acquire one of these swift, eco-friendly works of art... However, if I had the means, yeah, would be awesome... As it is, I've only seen them in "Little Fockers" and science articles...

Sorry if I made it confusing Yuko, but the Hyundai was the intended trade-in that we kept, the Grand Prix was the trade-in, and the Impreza is the new car. Whew! OK, better? The weather here ruins our "daily driver" cars, otherwise, I would have kept my GT in a heartbeat (wait...no that's Chevy).

Treasured cars here are often kept covered during the fall/winter/spring seasons (mostly the same weather, unfortunately), or put into storage (if you can afford it). Granted, there's a 600 series Mercedes parked on the street in one affluent neighborhood on my commute, but I've never seen it driven in the snow. It just made sense in my head (if not in my heart), that the older car get traded in, especially with 100K+ miles, my inspection so soon, and a couple small issues starting to show.

No worries, Sharp, the GT and this car both have lighters, so smoke up... Actually, well no. No offense... I wouldn't smoke in my car either...
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2011, 07:13:38 PM »

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As it is, I've only seen them in "Little Fockers"

And I think I just realized why the electric car never took off.
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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2011, 05:09:12 PM »

Lol. You didn't think the price had something to do with it? Or America's dependence on foreign oil?

Still would've kept the old car. I have a 97 turaus. I had a 95 before that. I love my car, and I'm going to keep using it till it dies, like for good. It's also a 6-banger. Vroom Vroom baby. What can new cars do that your old Prix couldn't? Certainly not out run the cops.
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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 12:43:57 AM »

Lol. You didn't think the price had something to do with it? Or America's dependence on foreign oil?

Also the lobbyists from the oil industry
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 02:21:54 AM »

Lol. You didn't think the price had something to do with it? Or America's dependence on foreign oil?

Also the lobbyists from the oil industry
My socialist friend would be on your ass about how America is doomed because of that.
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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 04:09:45 AM »

Well that and the corn lobby. I mean thats why we can't have sugarcane based ethanol, corn lobby, subsidizing the corn. That syrup that makes the soda taste awful is them too.
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 06:44:09 AM »

That syrup that makes the soda taste awful.

I always check soda in glass bottles to see if it uses sugar. It really is the superior sweetness. Sometimes the producer wants to fool you into thinking their soda is quality with the glass bottle, when, really, they're a pig wearing lipstick.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2011, 05:53:29 PM »

Lol. You didn't think the price had something to do with it? Or America's dependence on foreign oil?

Still would've kept the old car. I have a 97 turaus. I had a 95 before that. I love my car, and I'm going to keep using it till it dies, like for good. It's also a 6-banger. Vroom Vroom baby. What can new cars do that your old Prix couldn't? Certainly not out run the cops.

Price had alot to do with electric/hybrid sales, unless you need the extra horsepower or extra space. For a nation wanting to escape the grip of foreign oil firms, the government sure didn't do much to make hybrids/electrics affordable. I once considered buying a Chevy Malibu Hybrid, which was a cheap but "partial" hybrid (i.e. small gas engine & small electric motor always working in tandem to power the car). However, for the extra cost, you didn't get many extra MPG's over the standard Malibu. Full hybrids and electrics cost as much as "entry class" luxury cars.  I've also heard a rumor that big hills, like around here, ruin electric car batteries. Allegedly, the initial burst of energy during the climb would cause the failure...  However, I found this statement difficult to confirm in other sources, and I also see several Priuses around (or Pria? Latin students, what say you?). Maybe the rumor only refers to lead-acid batteries?

As if the oil & corn lobbyists weren't powerful enough on their own, they had to unite them on the E85 front... Why?!? E85 doesn't even get better MPG or save you money...

Once again, I really, really loved my Grand Prix. If it didn't need work done, I wouldn't have traded it in. Miles/years mean nothing to a good car. As it was, something was up with the Dexcool (orange) coolant, leaving the radiator fowled with orange gunk. Even the coolant sensor always read "low" even when it was OK. Probably needed cleaned, or possibly even replaced. The intake manifold gasket had started leaking, and needed replaced. The gas gauge starting reading wrong when below 1/2 tank. Mind you, this doesn't include work needed to pass my March 2011 inspection. Last time, $600.00 to replace worn parts of the front suspension. Granted, it drove like a whole different car after that (like new - I guess suspension wore out too slowly to notice?).

Nah, Yuko, it wasn't VROOM VROOM baby... With the balancing shaft, vmmm vmmm was all you would hear... If you really revved it, VMMMmmm VMMMmmm... However, this was no kitty, it was a lion. 8 seconds to 60, and they weren't kidding because I timed it myself. When I would bring it back to the dealership, which had since stopped selling Pontiacs, but kept their import business, I would KNOW when my car was started. The others-<Crank 3 seconds> bzzzzzzz... (4-bangers & Subaru boxer engines). Mine-<Crank 1-2 seconds> VROOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmm... Cool

The Elantra, being a 2009 model, has most of it's 10 year/100K mile warranty. Everything but "wear" items - fixed, for free. 12 gallon tank, and hardly burns 1/4 tank in a week. The Grand Prix? 17 gal tank, and burned 1/2 tank per week. Also, $18 per Elantra fill-up, about $30-$40 per Grand Prix fill-up. Now out on the highway...nah, the Grand Prix outclassed the Elantra there, on both power and handling. Gadgets? About the same - map lights, power windows & locks. Grand Prix had a power drivers seat, but the manual on the Elantra is very adjustable. Both have CD stereos - the Grand Prix had 6-speakers and EQ; the Elantra has MP3-CD/IPOD capability and an AUX port.

The '95 Taurus SHO seriously rocked... I wasn't entirely sold on the 1997 Taurus design, but the V6 was awesome. A buddy of mine, a Ford mechanic, drove one. He had a trans. defect repaired by installing a "shift kit". The results were awesome... However, one time at a LAN party, in an old garage, he needed to answer nature's call, but too many cars parked behind him. Which one wasn't? Yep, my GT. He reached the Sunoco up the street in ~10 seconds, and apparently just in time... That GT should have been nicknamed "Lassie"...

I don't need to outrun cops...the Elanta is dark grey, instead of the Grand Prix's bright red... It might as well be "stealth grey"... Cool



P.S. Sharp was right... The new Impreza doesn't have a lighter, and doesn't have an AUX or IPOD interface (even though it has an AUX button). Cheapskates...
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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2011, 10:47:32 PM »

You drove a SHO? That's SO AWESOME!

My car (2010 Jetta) doesn't have a lighter. I don't think my last car, a 2000 GTI did, either.
I love my car now, but I miss my old one. It had the VR6 engine, which was incredibly smooth-running, and some people have described its glorious sound as "a Wookiee being raped".

My car actually has like 60 more horsepower but it's a turbo four. So it kind of sounds like a really big vacuum cleaner. Sad
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2011, 05:10:34 AM »

Sorry, Mike, I never drove one, I just meant they were awesome. However, I did get to take a 1995 Intrepid 24-Valve for a little cruise, and that was fun (3.5 L SOHC engine, 214 hp peak).

Yeah, my V-6 had a similar gurgling "Wookie sound" when idling, revving in neutral/park...

A weird, awesome thing happened a couple weekends ago. I start leaving for the Comic Book show here, and suddenly thought I forgot money for the show. I'm still close to home, so I head back home, and find the money is already in my wallet.  Angry  (Mrs. Negotiator had already been nice enough to put the money there.) So I head out again, and see this parked down the street from my driveway...



Yeah, not only a red GT coupe (no GTP badges), but even the wheels match, which were pretty much a 1999 offering (1997, 1998 - flat, 5-spoke design; 2000-up - "spider-web" design). I was really tempted to see if it had other marks found on my GT, but I didn't want to look weird. It was parked for an estate sale, so cars were parking leaving/all day. Just to think...If I'd gone straight to the show, I would have missed it. Unfortunately, the show wasn't great - no comic books/paperbacks I liked, Adam West was charging $60 for autographs, could pay to get your picture with the 60's Batmobile, but weren't allowed to take your own outside the fence, and the only cheap Transformer there "needs some work" (I at least needed a "souvenir").
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